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		<title>Comment on What does the Bible say about wearing jewelry? by Dina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 02:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have several family members who are UPC and have questioned some if their teachings. I have come to this conclusion: religious rules and rituals can place someone in bondage, and Jesus came to set the captives free. Wearing jewelry, make-up, and pants don&#039;t mean I am &quot;free&quot;, but I will not place myself into religious bondage for man&#039;s approval. I see nothing wrong with any of those things, but I do place a high emphasis in modesty. Seek God&#039;s will for your life, and remember that each man shall work out his own salvation with fear and trembling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have several family members who are UPC and have questioned some if their teachings. I have come to this conclusion: religious rules and rituals can place someone in bondage, and Jesus came to set the captives free. Wearing jewelry, make-up, and pants don&#8217;t mean I am &#8220;free&#8221;, but I will not place myself into religious bondage for man&#8217;s approval. I see nothing wrong with any of those things, but I do place a high emphasis in modesty. Seek God&#8217;s will for your life, and remember that each man shall work out his own salvation with fear and trembling.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Acts 4:12 (Misinterpreted Scriptures) by Yellow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 00:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My pastor would have explained it like this: matthew 28:19 is like a formula (for Jesus name baptism)  &quot;.. baptizing them in the name of the Father(Jesus) and of the Son(Jesus) and of the Holy Ghost(Jesus)&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My pastor would have explained it like this: matthew 28:19 is like a formula (for Jesus name baptism)  &#8220;.. baptizing them in the name of the Father(Jesus) and of the Son(Jesus) and of the Holy Ghost(Jesus)&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on What does the Bible say about wearing jewelry? by Josh (Site Admin)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh (Site Admin)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 22:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ann,

I generally avoid the subject of Oneness vs. The Trinity because it didn&#039;t have a bearing on why I left, which is what this Web site is about. That&#039;s not to say I&#039;ll never do an article on the subject, but debates about it tend to attract the type of people who like to do nothing but argue in circles. With that said, I couldn&#039;t agree more with your statement. I thought you were right on.

In Christ,
Josh S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann,</p>
<p>I generally avoid the subject of Oneness vs. The Trinity because it didn&#8217;t have a bearing on why I left, which is what this Web site is about. That&#8217;s not to say I&#8217;ll never do an article on the subject, but debates about it tend to attract the type of people who like to do nothing but argue in circles. With that said, I couldn&#8217;t agree more with your statement. I thought you were right on.</p>
<p>In Christ,<br />
Josh S.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What does the Bible say about wearing jewelry? by Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 03:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really can&#039;t believe that this is such an issue. If for whatever reason you truly feel...convicted...to not wear jewelry, then don&#039;t wear it! If you feel absolutely no conviction about wearing it, then wear it if you want to! 

Somehow, I believe when we come face to face with Jesus He will not be condemning us either way...unless....we somehow idolize our jewelry. But we can idolize anything. And sometimes not realize it. I was on a Christian cruise last summer and met some terrific people. A gentleman sitting at our dinner table shared something with us that I will never forget. He was talking about his son-in-law being minister of music at a church and how in love he (the gentleman) became with the music ministry. Sounds great, doesn&#039;t it? He said he then realized that he was going to church looking so forward to the music that he felt convicted that he was beginning to worship the worship music instead of God! Wow! He said he repented and now he feels much better about his approach to worship music. But that made me wonder, how many of us do things like that? We don&#039;t realize that we do. ANYTHING can be made &quot;wrong&quot; when our hearts are not right, or when we lose focus, or when we concentrate so much on those things we see (physical appearances) and things we cannot see (hearts). 

I wish our lives and the world in which we live was so good that all we had to concentrate on from a biblical/world view was something so unimportant as wearing jewelry or not. People, there are so many more important things than this! 

Josh, I know you do not want to discuss/debate the whole oneness/trinity thing so you may delete this entire paragraph. But frankly, it sickens me to read and hear all the debates and the animosity they (the debates) create about Matthew 28:19. Everyone argues over the literal meaning of...baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.....when seemingly completely ignoring what I think is the most important part of the verse: ...Go and make disciples of all the nations.... Hmmm....we are instructed by Christ to deliver the Gospel to all parts and nations of the world and we don&#039;t.  We stay here, in our local churches, go to our scheduled services at a building and fight over who is right and who is wrong. Over things ranging from wearing jewelry, make-up, pants to what is actually said when one publicly professes his/her faith and symbolically dies and is resurrected with Christ.  Hmmmm.....wonder how He feels about that.  

Good thing He sees beyond what we wear and sees our hearts and forgives us so often and so much and so repeatedly.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really can&#8217;t believe that this is such an issue. If for whatever reason you truly feel&#8230;convicted&#8230;to not wear jewelry, then don&#8217;t wear it! If you feel absolutely no conviction about wearing it, then wear it if you want to! </p>
<p>Somehow, I believe when we come face to face with Jesus He will not be condemning us either way&#8230;unless&#8230;.we somehow idolize our jewelry. But we can idolize anything. And sometimes not realize it. I was on a Christian cruise last summer and met some terrific people. A gentleman sitting at our dinner table shared something with us that I will never forget. He was talking about his son-in-law being minister of music at a church and how in love he (the gentleman) became with the music ministry. Sounds great, doesn&#8217;t it? He said he then realized that he was going to church looking so forward to the music that he felt convicted that he was beginning to worship the worship music instead of God! Wow! He said he repented and now he feels much better about his approach to worship music. But that made me wonder, how many of us do things like that? We don&#8217;t realize that we do. ANYTHING can be made &#8220;wrong&#8221; when our hearts are not right, or when we lose focus, or when we concentrate so much on those things we see (physical appearances) and things we cannot see (hearts). </p>
<p>I wish our lives and the world in which we live was so good that all we had to concentrate on from a biblical/world view was something so unimportant as wearing jewelry or not. People, there are so many more important things than this! </p>
<p>Josh, I know you do not want to discuss/debate the whole oneness/trinity thing so you may delete this entire paragraph. But frankly, it sickens me to read and hear all the debates and the animosity they (the debates) create about Matthew 28:19. Everyone argues over the literal meaning of&#8230;baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit&#8230;..when seemingly completely ignoring what I think is the most important part of the verse: &#8230;Go and make disciples of all the nations&#8230;. Hmmm&#8230;.we are instructed by Christ to deliver the Gospel to all parts and nations of the world and we don&#8217;t.  We stay here, in our local churches, go to our scheduled services at a building and fight over who is right and who is wrong. Over things ranging from wearing jewelry, make-up, pants to what is actually said when one publicly professes his/her faith and symbolically dies and is resurrected with Christ.  Hmmmm&#8230;..wonder how He feels about that.  </p>
<p>Good thing He sees beyond what we wear and sees our hearts and forgives us so often and so much and so repeatedly&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>Comment on Malachi 3:8-10 (Misinterpreted Scriptures) by Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I whole heartedly agree with Clay and Chris.  So when we see God as a mighty warrior in the old testament does that mean he no longer is in the new because Jesus came.  Do we not apply Psalms and Proverbs to our lives today because it&#039;s OT.  If we are going with NT then we should be giving EVERYTHING which is way beyond the 10% so if you&#039;re not at least giving that little you are not abiding at all.  And since NT says give everything, then that is a definite command from God so the &quot;theory&quot; of if you can give it and if you can&#039;t don&#039;t...doesn&#039;t fly!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I whole heartedly agree with Clay and Chris.  So when we see God as a mighty warrior in the old testament does that mean he no longer is in the new because Jesus came.  Do we not apply Psalms and Proverbs to our lives today because it&#8217;s OT.  If we are going with NT then we should be giving EVERYTHING which is way beyond the 10% so if you&#8217;re not at least giving that little you are not abiding at all.  And since NT says give everything, then that is a definite command from God so the &#8220;theory&#8221; of if you can give it and if you can&#8217;t don&#8217;t&#8230;doesn&#8217;t fly!!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on What does the Bible say about wearing jewelry? by franklin</title>
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		<dc:creator>franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Believers of God, why bother debating over these things. Apostle paul wrote in colossians that we are complete in Christ Jesus. B e not decieved by anyone who urges us to do things or to cease from doing things which are according to the doctrines of men. PRO JEWELRY  folks you are just showing how carnal you are by defending things that are here on earth. Christ is only using it in his parables as an allegory of beauty. Parables are not to be literally followed but to be understood. Here is an example of Christ teachings that nobody takes literally, MAT. 18:8,9. HE SAYS IF THY HAND COMMITETH SIN CUT IT OFF,IT IS BETTER FOR YOU TO ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN MAIMED.Surely all of you here committed sins by your hand and yet nobody chopped them off.Do you see my point here people.  But when you have read tyhe story of the prodigal son and saw the word ring there, you automatically say that it is ok.

ANTI JEWELRY FOLKS, you made yourselves legalistics like the pharisees. Jewelry is in itself innocent. You condemn people TO BE SINNING WHEN THEY WEAR IT. 
MY WHOLE POINT IS THIS THAT WE ARE COMPLETE IN CHRIST. WE DON&#039;T NEED JEWELRY TO PREACH THE GOSPEL, WE DON&#039;T NEED JEWELRY TO LOOK GOOD, WE DON&#039;T NEED JEWELRY TO BE HAPPY, WE DON&#039;T NEED JEWELRY TO LET PEOPLE SEE OUR RICHES.
WE ARE COMPLETE IN CHRIST. CHRIST IS OUR JOY,HAPPINESS,CONTENTMENT AND SATISFACTION. THAT IS WHY APOSTLE PAUL SAID IN COLOSSIANS 3 THAT IF YE THEN BE RISEN WITH CHRIST SEEK THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE ABOVE AND IN VERSE 2,SET YOUR AFFECTIONS ON THINGS ABOVE NOT ON THE THINGS ON EARTH.
BRETHREN THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO PERISH SO WHY CARE WEARING IT AND DEFENDING IT AS THOUGH YOUR LIFE DEPEND ON IT.

COLOSSIANS 3:10 PUT ON THE NEW MAN,WHICH IS RENEWED IN KNOWLEDGE AFTER THE IMAGE OF HIM THAT CREATED HIM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Believers of God, why bother debating over these things. Apostle paul wrote in colossians that we are complete in Christ Jesus. B e not decieved by anyone who urges us to do things or to cease from doing things which are according to the doctrines of men. PRO JEWELRY  folks you are just showing how carnal you are by defending things that are here on earth. Christ is only using it in his parables as an allegory of beauty. Parables are not to be literally followed but to be understood. Here is an example of Christ teachings that nobody takes literally, MAT. 18:8,9. HE SAYS IF THY HAND COMMITETH SIN CUT IT OFF,IT IS BETTER FOR YOU TO ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN MAIMED.Surely all of you here committed sins by your hand and yet nobody chopped them off.Do you see my point here people.  But when you have read tyhe story of the prodigal son and saw the word ring there, you automatically say that it is ok.</p>
<p>ANTI JEWELRY FOLKS, you made yourselves legalistics like the pharisees. Jewelry is in itself innocent. You condemn people TO BE SINNING WHEN THEY WEAR IT.<br />
MY WHOLE POINT IS THIS THAT WE ARE COMPLETE IN CHRIST. WE DON&#8217;T NEED JEWELRY TO PREACH THE GOSPEL, WE DON&#8217;T NEED JEWELRY TO LOOK GOOD, WE DON&#8217;T NEED JEWELRY TO BE HAPPY, WE DON&#8217;T NEED JEWELRY TO LET PEOPLE SEE OUR RICHES.<br />
WE ARE COMPLETE IN CHRIST. CHRIST IS OUR JOY,HAPPINESS,CONTENTMENT AND SATISFACTION. THAT IS WHY APOSTLE PAUL SAID IN COLOSSIANS 3 THAT IF YE THEN BE RISEN WITH CHRIST SEEK THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE ABOVE AND IN VERSE 2,SET YOUR AFFECTIONS ON THINGS ABOVE NOT ON THE THINGS ON EARTH.<br />
BRETHREN THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO PERISH SO WHY CARE WEARING IT AND DEFENDING IT AS THOUGH YOUR LIFE DEPEND ON IT.</p>
<p>COLOSSIANS 3:10 PUT ON THE NEW MAN,WHICH IS RENEWED IN KNOWLEDGE AFTER THE IMAGE OF HIM THAT CREATED HIM.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What does the Bible say about wearing jewelry? by Jessen Baby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessen Baby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bible ultimately doesnt say the goodness of gold ornaments or silver ornaments. The ultimatum of bible teaching is the second coming of Jesus Christ. According to bible, there are strong versus about not wearing ornaments. Can anyone deny that? As somebody commented you justify ornaments today...tomorrow gay marriage... and so on. the catholic church taught  people to pray to mary and dead spirits was like this came to churches.
I wish your eyes to be opened to know the essence of the scripture rather sticking worldly things. Please read the bible carefully whether Jesus taught wearing ornaments nor the desciples and the first believers. The bible and its true teaching stays for ever whosoever comes with new teaching to wear ornaments and judge the one doesnt wear ornaments.Our God is precious than ornaments so wait for Him rather thinking on the ornaments. Did peter, jacob, paul or any of the apostle wear a gold or silver while they were martyred? OR Jesus in the cross? They were examples for us so follow them rather being under and surge for virtuality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bible ultimately doesnt say the goodness of gold ornaments or silver ornaments. The ultimatum of bible teaching is the second coming of Jesus Christ. According to bible, there are strong versus about not wearing ornaments. Can anyone deny that? As somebody commented you justify ornaments today&#8230;tomorrow gay marriage&#8230; and so on. the catholic church taught  people to pray to mary and dead spirits was like this came to churches.<br />
I wish your eyes to be opened to know the essence of the scripture rather sticking worldly things. Please read the bible carefully whether Jesus taught wearing ornaments nor the desciples and the first believers. The bible and its true teaching stays for ever whosoever comes with new teaching to wear ornaments and judge the one doesnt wear ornaments.Our God is precious than ornaments so wait for Him rather thinking on the ornaments. Did peter, jacob, paul or any of the apostle wear a gold or silver while they were martyred? OR Jesus in the cross? They were examples for us so follow them rather being under and surge for virtuality.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Isaiah 47:2 (Misinterpreted Scriptures) by Josh (Site Admin)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh (Site Admin)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shephredess,

I appreciate the comments. It&#039;s worth noting that the church in Corinth was composed of both Jews and Gentiles, and that the customs regarding hair coverings in worship were mixed. With some pagan religions the men wore them, with others the women wore them. Sometimes they weren&#039;t worn at all, sometimes they were always worn. There&#039;s also some debate over how the Jews of that era regarding head coverings. I&#039;ve read some commentaries that say Jewish men always wore head coverings in worship and others saying that the custom hadn&#039;t been fully established yet.

Corinth was a port city that attracted a tremendous range of cultures, religions, and gods. Because of that it&#039;s not surprising that there was a division over head coverings. Paul&#039;s commands to them were not based in any particular cultural view, though. He was not defending the culture of the Jews or of the Gentiles. The commands that he gave were not based in the Old Testament law either. Instead, he was laying down a new custom, one that he says all of the churches adhered to. It&#039;s also important to note that he was not saying to not argue over things that have always been, because things had not always been that way. He was telling them that the custom he was instructing them in was taught by all of the early churches, and that they should not be contentious about it.

My complete opinion on the subject, flawed or accurate, can be found here: http://www.whyileft.org/what-does-the-bible-say-about/what-does-the-bible-say-about-hair/

In Christ,
- Josh S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shephredess,</p>
<p>I appreciate the comments. It&#8217;s worth noting that the church in Corinth was composed of both Jews and Gentiles, and that the customs regarding hair coverings in worship were mixed. With some pagan religions the men wore them, with others the women wore them. Sometimes they weren&#8217;t worn at all, sometimes they were always worn. There&#8217;s also some debate over how the Jews of that era regarding head coverings. I&#8217;ve read some commentaries that say Jewish men always wore head coverings in worship and others saying that the custom hadn&#8217;t been fully established yet.</p>
<p>Corinth was a port city that attracted a tremendous range of cultures, religions, and gods. Because of that it&#8217;s not surprising that there was a division over head coverings. Paul&#8217;s commands to them were not based in any particular cultural view, though. He was not defending the culture of the Jews or of the Gentiles. The commands that he gave were not based in the Old Testament law either. Instead, he was laying down a new custom, one that he says all of the churches adhered to. It&#8217;s also important to note that he was not saying to not argue over things that have always been, because things had not always been that way. He was telling them that the custom he was instructing them in was taught by all of the early churches, and that they should not be contentious about it.</p>
<p>My complete opinion on the subject, flawed or accurate, can be found here: <a href="http://www.whyileft.org/what-does-the-bible-say-about/what-does-the-bible-say-about-hair/" rel="nofollow">http://www.whyileft.org/what-does-the-bible-say-about/what-does-the-bible-say-about-hair/</a></p>
<p>In Christ,<br />
- Josh S.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Isaiah 47:2 (Misinterpreted Scriptures) by shepherdess</title>
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		<dc:creator>shepherdess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would behoove you all to get a copy of hebrew scriptures.  The word in YashaYahu 47:2 states veil, not lock.  The hebrew word here is the word meaning covering or shawl, not &quot;hair&quot; as is the verse in 1 co. 11.  People argue that shaul was speaking about hair being a covering, when in fact he was showing the correlation between the spiritual and the natural, it is by nature that a woman should have long hair, it is spiritual that upon her head should be a covering. The greek word used there means a covering coming down upon, not one that grows out the head.  He is letting them know that women are cover because their esteem is their husbands, but also because of the Messengers.  He goes on to say that it is not to be argued about because it is their custom not to argue over things that has always been.  Remember he was speaking to gentile converts here who were used to adhering to the way of the pagan priestess who were bald or uncovered.  I recommend also a lexicon and a scripture dictionary.  Shalum!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would behoove you all to get a copy of hebrew scriptures.  The word in YashaYahu 47:2 states veil, not lock.  The hebrew word here is the word meaning covering or shawl, not &#8220;hair&#8221; as is the verse in 1 co. 11.  People argue that shaul was speaking about hair being a covering, when in fact he was showing the correlation between the spiritual and the natural, it is by nature that a woman should have long hair, it is spiritual that upon her head should be a covering. The greek word used there means a covering coming down upon, not one that grows out the head.  He is letting them know that women are cover because their esteem is their husbands, but also because of the Messengers.  He goes on to say that it is not to be argued about because it is their custom not to argue over things that has always been.  Remember he was speaking to gentile converts here who were used to adhering to the way of the pagan priestess who were bald or uncovered.  I recommend also a lexicon and a scripture dictionary.  Shalum!</p>
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		<title>Comment on What does the Bible say about dying your hair? by Asamoah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asamoah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pls people stop worrying yourselves about dying your hair cutting etc. all that is needed is to follow the ten commandments. i think that&#039;s what the lord wants us to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pls people stop worrying yourselves about dying your hair cutting etc. all that is needed is to follow the ten commandments. i think that&#8217;s what the lord wants us to do.</p>
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