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		<title>How did the Israelites dress in the Wilderness, when Deuteronomy 22:5 was written?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are a lot of myths surrounding the way that the Israelites dressed when Deu. 22:5 was written. My experience is that most people assume that the Israelites wore robes. Many seminary graduates and authors of non-scholarly commentaries (I.e., study Bibles, devotional commentaries, etc) will also refer to the Israelites wearing robes.

But what did the Israelites really wear? In this article we will discuss what they wore in Egypt and what they were during the Exodus.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of myths surrounding the way that the Israelites dressed when Deu. 22:5 was written. My experience is that most people assume that the Israelites wore robes. Many seminary graduates and authors of non-scholarly commentaries (I.e., study Bibles, devotional commentaries, etc) will also refer to the Israelites wearing robes.</p>
<p>But what did the Israelites really wear? It seems that people have a vague impression that everyone in ancient times wore robes. Combine that with images of Charlton Heston parting the Red Sea in <em>The Ten Commandments</em> and you’ve got a recipe for myth being repeated as fact.</p>
<p>In this article I will present two citations from <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Nelsons-Illustrated-Manners-Customs-People/dp/0785211942" target="_blank">Nelson’s new illustrated Bible manners &amp; customs : How the people of the Bible really lived</a>.</em> This is one of the best reference books available on biblical customs in my opinion.</p>
<h3>Citation 1: How the Israelites dressed in Egypt</h3>
<blockquote><p>“Women during the Middle Kingdom [Joseph's time period] and Empire periods [the time of the Exodus] commonly wore a long, white close-fitting dress (a sheath) held up with wide shoulder straps and extending to the ankles. Sometimes they covered their breasts and sometimes they did not. Surviving dresses show that the dresses were more baggy than the artists portray them. During the Empire the sheath dress became an undergarment. Over this, women wore a pleated, fringed robe consisting of a single piece of cloth, gathered around the waist and with the two top corners pulled over the shoulders and knotted under the breasts. Within this generalization, individuality was achieved with distinctive lines, embroidery, lace, and other decoration.</p>
<p>Servant girls usually wore only a skirt or apron while working. Dancing girls, musicians, singers and young waitresses commonly wore nothing but some jewelry.”<sup>1</sup></p>
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<h3>Citation 2: How the Israelites dressed in the Wilderness</h3>
<blockquote><p>“As to styles, all we know for certain is the clothing of the priests and the high priest, as described above. The rest of the people would have dressed much as they did while in Egypt. In fact, as noted, they came from Egypt in Egyptian garb. What appears on the subject in the last chapter [the first paragraph that I cited] should be reviewed. Since it is very hot in the Sinai during the day, presumably men often wore only linen kilts and women full-length, light weight, loose-fitting dresses. But it gets cold in the Sinai at night and the people needed something to keep them warm. Therefore it may be assumed that men and women owned long cloaks to wear at night or in high altitudes or to use as a blanket. Cloaks served as blankets at night even in New Testament Palestine.”<sup>2</sup></p>
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<h3>Closing Comments:</h3>
<p>I hope that these citations prove helpful to people who are studying Deu. 22:5 and the meaning of “men’s apparel.” If you are studying the “pants” issue then you might also be interested in two other articles I have written about this subject:</p>
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<li><a href="http://www.whyileft.org/what-does-the-bible-say-about/what-does-the-bible-say-about-women-wearing-pants/">What does the Bible say about women wearing pants?</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.whyileft.org/responses-to-the-upc/response-to-upc-bible-study-on-women-wearing-pants/">Response to UPC Bible study on wearing pants</a> </li>
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<h3>References:</h3><ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_129" class="footnote">Vos, H. F. (1999). Nelson’s new illustrated Bible manners &amp; customs : How the people of the Bible really lived (66). Nashville, Tenn.: T. Nelson Publishers.</li><li id="footnote_1_129" class="footnote">Vos, H. F. (1999). Nelson’s new illustrated Bible manners &amp; customs : How the people of the Bible really lived (103). Nashville, Tenn.: T. Nelson Publishers.</li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>A Spontaneous Post About &#8220;The Bible Days&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 05:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Growing up in the Apostolic movement I often heard talk about what people did “in Bible times.” I’ve always loved history, so I loved to hear about what people did back then. It was not until I got older and started studying biblical history that I realized a fact that many seem to forget: “Bible times” covers approximately 4,000 years of history. Furthermore, it isn’t just Jewish history that is covered. In the Bible you have Canaanites, Mideonites, Romans, Assyrians, Babylonians, and a host of others. Jewish history alone covers about 1,600 years (if you start counting at Moses and stop at Revelation) or more if you start counting at Abraham...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, folks, it’s been several months since I have written any new content for this site. I have monitored the comments and have re-written and tweaked several articles, but it’s been too long since I have written anything new.</p>
<p>I have had many friends and acquaintances ask me to write an article about hair, so that’s what I’ve been working on lately. I have also been working on a couple of other projects related to this Web site that I am not ready to share just yet :)</p>
<p>Anyway, tonight I was reading a thread on an apostolic forum about the hair issue. In one of the posts someone talked about what they did “in the Bible days.” It suddenly struck me that I don’t think I’ve written anything about “the Bible days” yet on this Web site! So, let me get out my soapbox and I’ll tell all of you, my dear readers, about something that was one of my pet peeves when I was in the UPC.</p>
<p>Growing up in the Apostolic movement I often heard talk about what people did “in Bible times.” I’ve always loved history, so I loved to hear about what people did back then. It was not until I got older and started studying biblical history that I realized a fact that many seem to forget: “Bible times” covers approximately 4,000 years of history. Furthermore, it isn’t just Jewish history that is covered. In the Bible you have Canaanites, Mideonites, Romans, Assyrians, Babylonians, and a host of others. Jewish history alone covers about 1,600 years (if you start counting at Moses and stop at Revelation) or more if you start counting at Abraham.</p>
<p>Also, the ancient world was a very dynamic place. Cultures changed back then just like they do today. Allow me (since it’s my soapbox) to give you a brief history lesson, written off the top of my head, to illustrate how dynamic the ancient world was just for the Jews (not to mention everyone else).</p>
<p>Abraham’s descendants went to Egypt and lived there for 400 or so years. Then Moses—a man raised in Egypt but who lived for 40 years in Midian—led them into the wilderness. They lived in the wilderness for 40 years, and came into contact with many other cultures. Then they conquered Canaan and came into contact with the various Canaanite city-states and their cultures. Then the Philistines invaded, and they spent a bit of time interacting with them. Then a few years later their kingdom split into Israel and Judah. Israel interacted heavily with the Assyrians and was eventually conquered by them. Judah was spared, but they in turn were conquered by the Babylonians and most of them spent 70 years or so in Babylon. Then the Babylonians were conquered by the Persians, and the Persians allowed the Jews to return to their homeland. Some of them did, but many of them did not. Of the ones that did, many of them would have been 2nd generation exiled Jews—Jews who’s parents had been born and raised in Babylon.</p>
<p>Many of the Jews decided to stay in Persia. They built synagogues and kept their system of worship and their national identity, but they were in constant contact with the Persian culture—a culture that included many conquered kingdoms along with all of their customs. A few years later Persia was conquered by Greece under the leadership of Alexander the Great (yes, I know that Alexander the Great was technically Macedonian, but his culture was Greek). Even after Alexander the Great’s death, the Jews were caught up in the conflicts between the four generals who split his kingdom. During the 400 year intertestamental period the Jews came into contact with every known culture except those in the far east. To be honest, they probably came into contact with some of them too. We know Alexander the Great went as far as India, and it’s pretty reasonable to assume that he brought some people back with him.</p>
<p>Then the Romans came along and conquered Greece. They loved Greek culture and so they kept a lot of it around, but they mixed their own culture with it. They used Israel as a sort of frontier outpost—a garrison, if you will. The Jews in Jesus’ Day would have mixed with pretty much every race that the Romans came into contact with. That means that they mixed with everyone in the known world.</p>
<p>Speaking of the Romans, they allowed their conquered subjects to keep their sense of identity and worship intact. It was one way that they maintained order in the empire. That’s important to know, because it means that one Roman city might have a completely different culture than one just 60 or 70 miles from it. Remember, this was in the days before photographs, magazines, TVs, Internet, and mechanized transportation. Even now in the U.S. there is a wide culture gap between, say, New York and New Orleans. How much wider would that gap be if you had to walk or ride a horse between those two cities, and, unless you traveled there, the only knowledge you had of them was what was told to you by travelers?</p>
<p>My point here is simple: Bible times changed. A lot. To say that something happened “in Bible times” is <em>tremendously</em> misleading. Whenever anyone says it to me I respond by asking, “Which Bible time?” Something that was a Jewish cultural norm in 1,500 B.C. might be anathema to them in 50 A.D.</p>
<p>Here’s a classic example of how the “Bible times” thing can lead to a misleading sense of history. In the forum that I was reading tonight one person wrote that “in the Bible days” if a woman sinned then the city officials publicly shaved her head. I have no idea if that was ever a custom in any ancient city (odds are that someone, somewhere tried it as a sin deterrent…it sounds pretty effective). However, I really doubt that it was ever a custom in Corinth. I’ve researched Corinth customs pretty extensively and I’ve never heard of it. (One reason that it seems unlikely for Corinth to have a custom like that is because the people of Corinth were generally pretty proud of their sin; they were one of the most sinful cities in the Roman empire.)</p>
<p>I’ve read and heard plenty of variations of this theme. I’ve heard that prostitutes shaved their head, and so Paul was telling women in Corinth that if they cut their hair they might as well just shave it. I’ve heard that it was a shame for a woman to go outside without a veil, and so what Paul was really saying was that women should wear veils to church, and that if they didn’t then they should just shave their head. (That last theory doesn’t explain why women would stop wearing veils in the first place—especially to church—or why shaving their head would be such a bad punishment.) I’ve heard that Corinth had a feminist movement that was cutting their hair out of rebellion, and Paul was telling them that if they were going to do that then they might as well shave it (this theory is usually combined with the “prostitutes shaved their head theory”). There are many more, but you get the picture.</p>
<p>In reality, though, it’s pretty hard to know exactly what was customary in Corinth and what was not. Corinth was an incredibly dynamic city. It sat on the Isthmus of Corinth—a very narrow strip of land dividing two gulfs. The strip of land was very narrow, and the way around the peninsula very long, so sailors needing to get from one gulf to the next would just pull their ships across. It was sort of like an ancient Panama Canal. These sailors were from every port, and had visited every port, so you can imagine how fast the city changed. It was constantly in flux. It’s very, very hard to go back 2,000 years and get an archaeological snapshot of what the customs were and what the city was like when Paul wrote 1 Corinthians. (That is why you will find that many commentaries have conflicting information on the customs of Corinth; many of them have a real custom but they have placed it in the wrong time. Generally speaking, the more recent the commentary is the more accurate it will be—at least about the culture of the city.)</p>
<p>Well, it’s late now, but I think you get the gist of what I am saying. Biblical times changed. A lot. One city might undergo tremendous change within a year. Something that they did in the “Bible times” of 10th century B.C. Jerusalem might not have ever been thought of, or even heard of, in 1st century Rome.</p>
<p>So, the next time that you hear someone say that someone did something “in Bible times” don’t take their word for it. Research it for yourself :). Oh, and speaking of research, here’s one great tool that you can use: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Nelsons-Illustrated-Manners-Customs-People/dp/0785211942">Nelson’s New Illustrated Bible Manners and Customs: How the People of the Bible Really Lived</a>. Check it out, it’s awesome.</p>
<p>OK, I’m going to go put up my soapbox now. Good night, and thanks for reading!</p>
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		<title>The Nature of Truth</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[John 18:37-38 KJV
"Pilate said to Him, 'So You are a king?' Jesus answered, 'You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice. Pilate said to Him, 'What is truth?'"

If you used to be in the UPC then let me ask you, How many times have you heard someone say that they are thankful "for the Truth"? Or perhaps they said that they were thankful that God revealed "the Truth" to them. Or maybe they talked about how anointed a non-UPC singer or minister was, and then they said that it was a shame that the person they were talking about "did not have the Truth..."]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>Pilate said to Him, &quot;So You are a king?&quot; Jesus answered, &quot;You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.&quot; Pilate said to Him, &quot;What is truth?&quot;        <br />&#8211; John 18:37-38b</em></p>
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<p>If you used to be in the UPC then let me ask you, How many times have you heard someone say that they are thankful &quot;for the Truth&quot;? Or perhaps they said that they were thankful that God revealed &quot;the Truth&quot; to them. Or maybe they talked about how anointed a non-UPC singer or minister was, and then they said that it was a shame that the person they were talking about &quot;did not have the Truth.&quot;</p>
<p>I used to hear those statements all the time! I think that we all have. But I am one of those people who likes to ask &quot;Why&quot; about everything. As a matter of fact, one of my favorite quotes says this:</p>
<blockquote><p>&quot;Millions saw the apple fall, but Newton was the one who asked why&quot; (Bernard Baruch).</p>
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<p>One of the things that many Christians do is rattle off a Scripture or a phrase without stopping to think about what it actually means. I think that we all do that; that&#8217;s certainly not something that&#8217;s limited to the UPC! But one thing that you do hear the UPC talk a lot about is &quot;having the Truth.&quot; So in this article I want to examine this question: <em>What does it mean for something to be true?</em> Once I have investigated the meaning of truth then I will look at two central UPC doctrines to see whether or not they really are &quot;true.&quot;</p>
<p>Now, a lot of people might be thinking that I&#8217;m silly for asking what it means for something to be true. After all, if something is true then it is&#8230;true! But what does that word mean? More specifically, how does the word apply to us Christians?</p>
<p>One good definition of truth is that <em>it is consistent and it corresponds to reality</em>. That is the definition that my systematic theology professor repeated until we practically had it coming out our ears! And it is certainly a good definition. Notice that the definition says that truth corresponds to reality, not to itself. The reason it says that is because there are plenty of people who teach and believe that truth just needs to correspond to itself. The problem with this is obvious: If a person starts with an untrue starting point then the rest of their system (whatever it might be) will also be untrue.</p>
<p>My philosophy professor used evolution as an example of a view of truth that corresponds with itself instead of corresponding to reality. He called it a &quot;mesh&quot; system, meaning that if any one point of it was proven false then a new theory was made to account for the portion that was proven false. In other words, there&#8217;s no way to prove evolution false to someone who believes strongly in the theory. Why? Because it corresponds with itself, even though many scientists would argue that the actual points of the theory are incorrect. (I believe that the UPC also has a &quot;mesh&quot; view of truth, but that is not the subject that I am discussing in this article!)</p>
<p>The point is this: There is more than one view of truth and knowledge that exists in the world today. For instance, many different religions believe that there is no one correct way to God; they believe that all paths are equally valid<sup>1</sup>. The Christian view stands in opposition to this because it claims that Jesus is the only way to God, but the religious pluralist responds by saying that the Christian view is right for the Christians but the Muslim view is right for the Muslims, etc.</p>
<p>So with that in mind let us return to the original question: What is truth?</p>
<p>Well, as I already said, my systematic theology professor defined truth as <em>that which is consistent and corresponds with reality</em>. I do believe that is a very good view of truth, so I want to use that for a starting point and break this subject down a little farther. Specifically, I want to explain why truth must be consistent and why it must correspond with itself. To do this we must look at three fundamental laws of logic. These are:</p>
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<li>The law of non-contradiction </li>
<li>The law of the excluded middle </li>
<li>The law of identity </li>
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<p>Please bear with me here! I know it&#8217;s easy to zone out as soon as someone writes or says &quot;fundamental laws,&quot; but this is important to understanding exactly what truth is! And I promise that it&#8217;s not that complicated either. Actually, these three laws are very simple and even intuitive.</p>
<p>The law of non-contradiction simply says: <em>Something cannot both be and not be at the same time and in the same respect</em>. Example: Something cannot be green and not green at the same time and in the same way. That&#8217;s pretty simple, right? Similarly, I cannot be in my chair and out of my chair at this very moment in time. I am sitting in my chair, and it&#8217;s impossible for me to not be sitting in my chair at the same time.</p>
<p>The second law, the law of the excluded middle, says: <em>Something either is or is not</em>. In other words, something either exists or it does not exist. Something cannot exist and not exist at the same time. Very simple and intuitive!</p>
<p>Finally, the law of identity says: <em>Something is what it is</em>. This is very similar to the first law. Something cannot be what it is and what it is not at the same time.</p>
<p>These laws seem very intuitive (and they are) but the reason they are given names is because they serve as a starting point for all discussions. Even if a person does not know the laws by name they know them intuitively. Furthermore, these laws cannot be refuted. It&#8217;s impossible! Why? Because a person must use one the laws in order to refute the laws! Give it a try, it&#8217;s kind of fun! (I tried it when my philosophy professor presented these laws to us, and I found out that they are impossible to refute. I guess all those Ph.D.&#8217;s were right after all; at least on this point.)</p>
<p>Now that I&#8217;ve given these three laws let me bring it to a practical level by looking briefly at the UPC&#8217;s view of baptism. The UPC view of baptism is that a person must be baptized in the Name of Jesus in order to be saved<sup>2</sup>. However, it is my experience that many people in the UPC find it hard to accept the idea that God is sending almost every believer for the last 2,000 years to hell because they were baptized the wrong way. So, when backed into a corner, many in the UPC will say something like this:</p>
<blockquote><p>&quot;I refuse to put anyone in hell; I believe that God might let people into Heaven if they were baptized in the Titles and that was all they knew, but if they see the necessity of being baptized in the Name of Jesus and they refuse to obey &#8216;the Truth&#8217; then they are responsible for their disobedience.&quot;</p>
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<p>That statement sounds really good on the surface, but let&#8217;s apply the fundamental laws of logic to it. First, this statement is effectively saying that &quot;the Truth&quot; only becomes true once a person sees that it is true.</p>
<p>Think about that for a moment.That is like saying that the speed limit in front of my apartment only becomes 30 miles per hour when I see the sign, and that if I do not see that it is 30 miles per hour then the speed limit does not exist (or that it is not 30 miles per hour). See the fallacy? If the speed limit is 30 miles per hour then it is 30 miles per hour whether or not I realize that it is. In the same way, if baptism in the Name of Jesus is necessary for salvation then it is necessary whether or not a person realizes that it is. On the other hand, if a person can get into Heaven without being baptized in the Name of Jesus then baptism in the Name of Jesus is not necessary for salvation.</p>
<p>Put quite simply: Baptism in the Name of Jesus cannot simultaneously be necessary and unnecessary at the same time.</p>
<p>I believe that the illustration I just gave makes it easier to understand why the three fundamental laws of logic are so important! A doctrine or belief can sound really good on the surface, but it might not hold up when put to the logical test.</p>
<p>For instance, earlier in this article I commented on the Hindu believe that all paths to God are equally valid. This is what Dr. Norman Geisler has to say about that idea in his book &quot;Worlds Apart: A Handbook on World Views&quot; (the italics and bold print are added by me for emphasis):</p>
<blockquote><p>How does one decide on a world view? They cannot all be true, for they hold mutually exclusive views on many essential points. For example, atheism and theism cannot both be true, for atheism affirms that “God does not exist” and theism affirms that “God does exist.” Likewise, God cannot be both finite (finite godism) and infinite (theism). Nor can miracles be possible (theism) and impossible (deism, atheism). The opposite of truth is falsehood. <strong>Hence, if one view is true, then the opposite must be false, unless, of course, one claims that there is no such thing as truth. But the problem with such a statement is that it claims to be true, thereby defeating its own claim that nothing is true</strong><sup>3</sup>.</p>
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<p>The last sentence is the most important. Did you catch the problem that Dr. Geisler is pointing out? He is saying that when a person says that all truths are equally valid (such as the pluralist belief that all paths lead to God) then they are claiming absolutely that there is no absolute truth! In other words, they are breaking the law of non-contradiction because they are claiming that there are absolutely no absolutes! They are making a statement that they claim is true, but the statement claims that there can be no truth!</p>
<p>So the pluralist claim that all paths lead to God sounds very good, just like it sounds good when someone in the UPC claims that baptism in Jesus&#8217; Name only becomes necessary once a person realizes it is necessary. But when put to the test we find that both of these views are equally impossible from a logical standpoint. Of course, a person can still choose to believe these things, but they need to recognize that they are believing them purely because of faith and that there is no logical basis (nor can there be) for their view.</p>
<p>So let me summarize what we have covered so far, and then we will move on to examining two central UPC doctrines to see whether or not they are true.</p>
<p>For a general definition of truth I have chosen the definition given by my systematic theology professor: <em>Truth is that which is consistent and corresponds to reality</em>. For the rest of this article I am going to use a more specific definition for determining biblical truth:</p>
<blockquote><p>Biblical truth is that which is consistent and does not conflict with other Scripture.</p>
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<p>With that definition in mind let&#8217;s look at two UPC beliefs to see whether or not they are true. In other words, let&#8217;s see if these two beliefs <em>are consistent and do not conflict with other Scripture</em>.</p>
<p>The first belief that I have chosen to examine is the belief that a person must repent in order to be saved. The official UPC position says:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Luke 13:5&#8230;reads, &quot;Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish&quot;. [sic] Plainly, then, the tragic alternative to repentance is eternal perdition</em><sup>4</sup>.</p>
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<p>The question that we need to ask is this: Does the UPC belief that a person needs to repent of their sins in order to be saved contradict other Scriptures? Specifically, does that belief contradict other Scriptures such as Acts 2:21 and Romans 10:13, which say that everyone who calls on the Name of the Lord will be saved?</p>
<p>On the surface it appears that there is a contradiction, but I am convinced that this contradiction is only an apparent one. I feel that repentance is indeed necessary for salvation. The reason that I believe this is simple: It is impossible to accept Jesus as Savior if a person does not believe that they are in need of saving. In other words, if I do not realize that I am a sinner then why would I call on the Name of the Lord and ask Him for salvation?</p>
<p>On top of this, Jesus commanded repentance (cf. Mat. 4:17, Luke 13:5). If a person blatantly refuses to obey Jesus and repent then I propose that they do not truly believe He is Lord. When a person truly accepts that someone is their Lord then it requires that they admit that they are not Lord. Put bluntly, the most difficult barrier to getting people to come to Christ is getting them to admit that He is God and that they are not.</p>
<p>So, once again, I do not believe there is a real contradiction between the UPC view that repentance is necessary for salvation and the Scriptures that say that a person just needs to call upon the Name of the Lord to be saved. I am convinced that calling on the Name of the Lord involves repentance, so the contradiction is only <em>apparent</em>, not <em>real</em>.</p>
<p>The score is therefore 1-0 for the UPC.Now let us look at another doctrine that is central to the UPC: The doctrine that says that speaking in tongues is necessary for salvation.</p>
<p>(Before I begin I should point out that the UPC view is that the Holy Ghost is necessary for salvation, and on this point I agree with them, just like every other evangelical Christian does. However, speaking in tongues is synonymous with the Holy Ghost to the UPC (since they believe that the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost is that a person speaks in tongues<sup>5</sup>), so that is why I say that I am examining the UPC doctrine that says that speaking in tongues is necessary for salvation.)</p>
<p>The UPC uses three Scripture passages to &quot;prove&quot; that speaking in tongues is the evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost: Acts 2:1-4, Acts 10:44-48, and Acts 19:1-6<sup>6</sup>. From these three passages the UPC extracts the doctrine that &quot;The initial, outward evidence [of receiving the Holy Ghost] is speaking in tongues, which means speaking miraculously in languages the speaker does not know<sup>7</sup>.&quot;</p>
<p>But is this doctrine true, or does it contradict other Scripture? Specifically, does it contradict 1 Cor. 12:28-30, which says:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>1Co 12:28-30 (NASB, bold print added for emphasis)        <br />(28)&#160; And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues.         <br />(29)&#160; All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they?         <br />(30)&#160; All do not have gifts of healings, do they? <strong>All do not speak with tongues, do they</strong>? All do not interpret, do they?</em></p>
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<p>It is obvious from the context that Paul is asking rhetorical questions and that the answer to each question is &quot;No.&quot; It is very important that Paul did <strong>not</strong> ask, &quot;<strong>All do not have the gift of tongues</strong>&quot;; Instead, he asked, &quot;<strong>All do not speak with tongues, do they?</strong>&quot; (This is a crucial difference since the UPC believes that Paul was talking about the gift of tongues in this passage, which the UPC believes is separate from &quot;tongues as the initial evidence of the Holy Ghost.&quot; It is my opinion that if every believer who received the Holy Ghost was speaking in tongues <em>then Paul never would have worded his question in the matter that he did</em>. His goal was to cut down on confusion in the church at Corinth, not add to it!)</p>
<p>So at this point in the discussion the UPC has three Scripture passages that they claim are examples of people speaking in tongues when they initially received the gift of the Holy Ghost. From this they extrapolate the doctrine that all believers speak in tongues when they receive the Holy Ghost. In contrast to this we have a direct statement from Paul saying that all believers do not speak with tongues.</p>
<p>This definitely appears to be a true contradiction, but let us keep looking.</p>
<p>The question that we need to ask next is this: Are there any examples of people being filled with the Holy Ghost or receiving the Holy Ghost when they did <em>not</em> speak with tongues? Interestingly enough, there is one example: Paul himself.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Act 9:17-19a NASB (bold print added for emphasis)        <br />(17)&#160; So Ananias departed and entered the house, and after laying his hands on him said, &quot;Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road by which you were coming, has sent me so that you may <strong>regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit</strong>.&quot;         <br />(18)&#160; And <strong>immediately</strong> there fell from his eyes something like scales, and <strong>he regained his sight</strong>, and<strong> he got up and was baptized</strong>;         <br />(19)&#160; and he took food and was strengthened.</em></p>
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<p>Apparently Ananias did not plan on wasting any time. He walked in the door and told Paul that he had been sent for two reasons: 1) that Paul would regain his sight and 2) that Paul would be filled with the Holy Spirit. Then Ananias gets right down to business; he lays his hands on Paul and Paul&#8217;s vision is restored. Then what happened? Paul got baptized. Then what happened? He ate a meal.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s it.</p>
<p>No mention of tongues.</p>
<p>So it appears that the UPC&#8217;s claim that &quot;Speaking with other tongues has been connected with Spirit baptism since the beginning of the church age&quot;<sup>8</sup> commits the sin of omission by failing to include every applicable example of people being filled with the Holy Ghost. It is also interesting that there is no mention of any of the (approximately) 3,000 believers baptized on the Day of Pentecost speaking in tongues (Acts 2:41).</p>
<p>(Another example of someone being filled with the Holy Ghost and not speaking in tongues is when John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Ghost. According to Luke 1:15 he was filled with the Spirit while still in his mother&#8217;s womb, and, while it is possible that he spokes in tongues, I find it rather unlikely.)</p>
<p>Also, on closer inspection of the UPC&#8217;s &quot;proof Scriptures&quot; for tongues being the initial evidence of a person receiving the Holy Ghost we find that one of the passages does not even qualify! Which one? Acts 19:1-6. The careful reader will note that the passage does not say that the 12 disciples were <strong>filled</strong> with the Holy Ghost, it says that the Holy Ghost <strong>came upon</strong> them. This seems like a small difference, but it is a very important one. It was quite common all throughout the Old Testament for the Holy Spirit to &quot;come upon&quot; a person or group of people, yet we know from John 7:39 that the Spirit was not given until Jesus was glorified. (For examples of the Holy Ghost coming upon people in the Old Testament see the following Scriptures: Numbers 11:25, 24:2, Judges 3:10, 6:34, 11:29, 14:6, 14:19, 15:14, 1 Samuel 10:10, 11:6, 16:13, 19:20, 19:23, 1 Chronicles 12:18, 2 Chronicles 20:14.)</p>
<p>Finally, we have Paul&#8217;s statement in 1 Corinthians 14:22 which says that tongues is a sign to the <em>unbeliever</em>, not the <em>believer</em>. The UPC view of tongues stands in direct opposition to Paul&#8217;s statement, because the UPC teaches that tongues is the initial evidence to the believer (and by extension to those around him or her) that they have received the Holy Ghost. So the UPC makes tongues a sign to the believer when it is actually meant to be a sign to the unbeliever.</p>
<p>So, to summarize, we actually have two Scripture passages showing where people spoke in tongues when they received the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:1-6 and Acts 10:44-48). In contrast to this we have a direct statement by Paul saying that not all believers speak in tongues (1 Cor. 12:30) and the absence of any record of Paul himself speaking in tongues when he received the Holy Ghost. Last but not least, we have the fact that tongues is supposed to be a sign to the unbeliever, not the believer.</p>
<p>In light of all of this evidence I am forced to conclude that there is a <em>real</em> contradiction between the UPC view and the biblical view of tongues. In other words, <em>the UPC view of tongues is consistent with <strong>itself</strong> but it is <strong>not consistent with the entirety of Scripture</strong></em>. The fact that the UPC view is consistent with itself makes it sound very good, but when the entirety of Scripture is examined then one finds out that the UPC view is not consistent with the rest of Scripture.</p>
<p>So the score is now UPC 1 - Bible 1.</p>
<p>What can we learn from all of this? Well, if you are reading this article and you have never taken a philosophy course or a course in logic then you probably learned that an idea that seems so simple (like truth) can actually be quite complicated! In all seriousness, though, I am hoping that those who read this article will have a better idea of what truth actually is and that they will know how to apply the basic principles of logic to other doctrines and teachings to find out whether or not they are correct.</p>
<p>It is my hope and prayer that readers will always remember to check out the entirety of Scripture when examining doctrines to find out whether or not the doctrine conflicts with itself logically and whether or not it conflicts with other Scripture.</p>
<h3>References:</h3><ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_53" class="footnote">This is known as &quot;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_pluralism" target="_blank">religious pluralism</a>&quot;</li><li id="footnote_1_53" class="footnote">&quot;<a href="http://www.upci.org/doctrine/baptism.asp" target="_blank">Why We Baptize In Jesus&#8217; Name</a>&quot;, Accessed 8/12/2007</li><li id="footnote_2_53" class="footnote">Worlds Apart: A Handbook On World Views&quot;. Geisler, Norman L., Watkins, William D</li><li id="footnote_3_53" class="footnote">&quot;<a href="http://www.upci.org/doctrine/repent.asp" target="_blank">Except Ye Repent</a>&quot;, Accessed 8/12/2007</li><li id="footnote_4_53" class="footnote">&quot;<a href="http://www.upci.org/doctrine/holyGhost.asp" target="_blank">The Gift of the Holy Ghost</a>&quot;, Accessed 8/12/2007</li><li id="footnote_5_53" class="footnote">Ibid.</li><li id="footnote_6_53" class="footnote">Ibid.</li><li id="footnote_7_53" class="footnote">Ibid.</li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>I Am Apostolic</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last Friday night I went to the final service for the UPC National Youth Congress 2007, held in Charlotte, NC. The worship leader who started the service got everyone "fired up" by telling the story of a conversation he had with a Muslim friend. He said that the Muslim friend asked him why all of the UPC women had long hair. His answer to his Muslim friend was, "Because we're Christian!!" Of course he also told his Muslim friend that he believed in just one God, not in the Trinity! (The implication being that everyone who believes in the Trinity believes in three gods; belief in three gods is actually tritheism--a belief held by the Mormons--, not Trinitarianism, but that's a discussion for a different article.)

So, that happened last Friday night. Then on Monday or Tuesday night I got in a long discussion with a Mormon. It was a very one-sided discussion since he didn't give me a chance to talk. He just sat there and talked over me and just kept raising his voice when I tried to say anything. Interestingly enough, the Mormon gentleman also claimed to have "apostolic" doctrine. He claimed to believe what the apostles really taught. I'm not comparing the UPC to Mormonism, I'm only pointing out that quite a few groups with very different doctrines all claim to believe what the apostles really taught.

So where does this leave me? It leaves me with the belief that I am apostolic. The reason? I believe what the apostles taught. It's really quite simple. It only becomes complicated when people try to come up with "new" revelations or new ideas that convince them and their followers that they alone really have truth and that everyone else is part of the "great falling away"...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last Friday night I went to the final service for the UPC National Youth Congress 2007, held in Charlotte, NC. The worship leader who started the service got everyone &quot;fired up&quot; by telling the story of a conversation he had with a Muslim friend. He said that the Muslim friend asked him why all of the UPC women had long hair. His answer to his Muslim friend was, &quot;Because we&#8217;re Christian!!&quot; Of course he also told his Muslim friend that he believed in just one God, not in the Trinity! (The implication being that everyone who believes in the Trinity believes in three gods; belief in three gods is actually tritheism&#8211;a belief held by the Mormons&#8211;, not Trinitarianism, but that&#8217;s a discussion for a different article.)</p>
<p>So, that happened last Friday night. Then on Monday or Tuesday night I got in a long discussion with a Mormon. It was a very one-sided discussion since he didn&#8217;t give me a chance to talk. He just sat there and talked over me and just kept raising his voice when I tried to say anything. Interestingly enough, the Mormon gentleman also claimed to have &quot;apostolic&quot; doctrine. He claimed to believe what the apostles really taught. I&#8217;m not comparing the UPC to Mormonism, I&#8217;m only pointing out that quite a few groups with very different doctrines all claim to believe what the apostles really taught.</p>
<p>So where does this leave me? It leaves me with the belief that I am apostolic. The reason? I believe what the apostles taught. It&#8217;s really quite simple. It only becomes complicated when people try to come up with &quot;new&quot; revelations or new ideas that convince them and their followers that they alone really have truth and that everyone else is part of the &quot;great falling away.&quot;</p>
<p>Anyway, I believe what the apostles taught, and that makes me Apostolic. Here&#8217;s what they taught, and here&#8217;s what I believe:</p>
<p><em><strong>Note:</strong> If this article looks like it&#8217;s really, really long then don&#8217;t worry; it&#8217;s not! A good portion of this article is composed of Scripture citations. I&#8217;ve pasted the Scriptures at the end of the article so that they will be easier to read. I have also put hyperlinks next to the Scripture references; you can click on them to be taken to the passage on-line.</em></p>
<h3>Christ:</h3>
<p>I believe that Jesus was and is Immanuel, God with us (Mat. 1:23<sup><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%201:23;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">1</a></sup>) and that He was born of the Virgin Mary (Mat. 1:23<sup><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%201:23;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">1</a></sup>). How was He both God and man? Frankly, I don&#8217;t know and I really don&#8217;t care. All that I know is that there is only one God (Deu. 6:4<sup><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=deu%206:4;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">2</a></sup>) and Jesus is Him. Any attempt at explanation beyond that is nothing more than the mind of finite man trying to understand the workings of an infinite God. It will only result in useless debate&#8211;something which we were told by Paul to abstain from (1 Tim. 1:3-7<sup><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20tim%201:3-7;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">3</a></sup>).</p>
<p>I believe that Jesus was the incarnate Word of God (John 1:1-2, 14<sup><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%201:1-14;&amp;version=49;">4</a></sup>). I don&#8217;t know how God incarnated His Word, but He did. I guess being all-powerful lets Him do stuff like that.</p>
<p>I believe that Jesus &quot;died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures&quot; (1 Cor. 15:3-4<sup><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20cor%2015:3-4;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">5</a></sup>). I believe that Jesus rose bodily from the dead, just like He said He would in John 2:18-21<sup><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%202:18-21;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">6</a></sup>.</p>
<h3>Justification (e.g., Salvation):</h3>
<p><em>(<strong>Note:</strong> The word &quot;justified&quot; means &quot;to be made righteous.&quot; It&#8217;s what we mean today when we say salvation or being saved. To be justified means to be made acceptable to God [7]</em><em>.) </em></p>
<p>What do I believe about justification? I believe what the apostles John and Paul said about justification. This makes me Apostolic.</p>
<p>John said that those who received Christ were given the right to become children of God (John 1:10-13<sup><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%201:10-13;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">8</a></sup>). Paul wrote that no person would be justified by the works of the Law (Rom. 3:20<a href="http://www.whyileft.org/ramblings/i-am-apostolic#9"><sup>9</sup></a>). He went on to say that a person is justified as a gift by the grace of God (Rom. 3:24<sup><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rom%203:24;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">9</a></sup>), and that the justification comes by faith, not by works of the Law (Rom. 3:28<sup><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rom%203:28;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">9</a></sup>). He said that since we have &quot;been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ&quot; (Rom. 5:1<sup><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rom%205:1;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">10</a></sup>), and that since we are &quot;justified by Christ&#8217;s blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him&quot; (Rom. 5:9<sup><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rom%205:9;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">11</a></sup>).</p>
<p>Paul made it abundantly clear that a person is justified by faith in Christ (Gal. 2:16<a href="http://www.whyileft.org/ramblings/i-am-apostolic#12"><sup>12</sup></a>). Interestingly enough, He also made it clear that it is only faith, and nothing else, that justifies us (Rom. 3:28<sup><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rom%203:28;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">9</a></sup>; Gal. 2:16<sup><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=gal%202:16;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">12</a></sup>). This means that if a person has faith in anything other than Christ for their salvation then they are trusting that thing for their salvation, not Christ. So, let me ask you: Where&#8217;s your faith? Is it in your baptism? If you believe that you are saved because you were baptized the &quot;right way&quot; (I.e., in the Name of Jesus or in a Mormon temple) then that means that your faith is in your baptism, not in Jesus. If you believe that you are saved because you spoke in tongues then that means that your faith is in your tongues, not in Jesus.</p>
<h3>Sanctification (e.g., Holiness, or Ongoing Righteousness after Justification):</h3>
<p>I believe that Christ rose again so that we can live for Him (2 Cor. 5:15<sup><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20cor%205:15-17;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">13</a></sup>). I also believe that &quot;if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come&quot; (2 Cor. 5:17<sup><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20cor%205:15-17;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">13</a></sup>). This means that sin does not have dominion over those who are saved (Rom. 6:11-15<sup><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans%206:11-15;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">14</a></sup>). Notice that I did not say sin should not have dominion, I said that it does not have dominion. We all slip up and commit sins, but the apostle John made it clear that when that happens &quot;we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; and He Himself is the propitiation [covering] for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world&quot; (1 John 2:1-2<sup><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20john%202:1-2;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">15</a></sup>).</p>
<p>I believe that if anyone claims to be saved but they continue to live a lifestyle of sin without true repentance then they have turned &quot;the grace of our God into licentiousness and [they are denying] our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ&quot; (Jude 1:4<sup><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=jude%201:4;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">16</a></sup>). The word licentiousness means, amongst other things, &quot;debauchery, sexual excess, absence of restraint, insatiable desire for pleasure, arrogance, insolence referring to words, wantonness, lustfulness, excessive pleasure, perversion in general (&quot;G766&quot;, The Complete Word Study Dictionary).</p>
<p>With this in mind, I believe that a person is known by their &quot;fruits&quot; (Mat. 7:16-20<sup><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=mat%207:16-20;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">17</a></sup>). Jesus said that, not an apostle, so I guess that makes me &quot;Jesus-tolic.&quot; Just so there isn&#8217;t any confusion, Paul (who was an apostle) clarified what the deeds (or fruits) are. According to Paul, the fruits of the flesh are: &quot;immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkennous, carousing, and things like these&quot; (Gal. 5:19-21<sup><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=gal%205:19-23;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">18</a></sup>). Unfortunately, I&#8217;ve known a lot of &quot;One God Apostolic tongue-talkin&#8217; Holy Rollin&#8217; Born Again Believers in the Liberating Power of Jesus&#8217; Name&quot; who faithfully grow the fruits of the flesh.</p>
<p>On the other hand, the fruit of the Spirit (notice that the word fruit is singular, not plural) is: &quot;love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control&quot; (Gal. 5:22-23<sup><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=gal%205:19-23;&amp;version=49;">18</a></sup>). One of the things that caused me to first start questioning Oneness Pentecostal doctrine was the sheer number of Oneness Pentecostals filled with the deeds of the flesh and the sheer number of Trinitarian Christians who were cultivating the fruit of the Spirit. The Oneness Pentecostals would tell me that this is not sufficient evidence for salvation, but unfortunately the apostle John (note the emphasis on the word apostle) disagrees with them when he writes, &quot;By this we know that we have come to know [Christ], if we keep His commandments&#8230;.The one who says, &#8216;I have come to know Him,&#8217; and does not keep His commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected&#8230;.By this we know that we are in Him: the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked&quot; (1 John 2:3-6<sup><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20john%202:3-6;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">19</a></sup>).</p>
<p>So it seems that growing the fruit of the Spirit and &quot;walking like Christ walked&quot; is valid evidence of a true relationship with God. On the other hand, growing the fruits of the flesh is valid evidence of the lack of a true relationship with God. That should scare a lot of Oneness Pentecostals. Especially when they see &quot;big name&quot; preachers speaking at rallies and initiating &quot;mighty moves of God,&quot; but they know that those same big name preachers are filled with jealousy and pride and that they are causing division, and that they have a real shortage of patience, kindness, gentleness, and self-control in their lives. Some would say that I am being too judgmental at this point, but I disagree: the apostle John told us to &quot;test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world&quot; (1 John 4:1<sup><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20john%204:1;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">20</a></sup>). Unfortunately, every movement that produces great emotion and tongues is not of God. (Here&#8217;s an interesting bit of trivia: The Mormons regularly spoke in tongues years before Azusa Street; see the article &quot;<a href="http://www.bcmmin.org/tongue1.html" target="_blank">Speaking In Tongues And The Mormon Church</a>&quot; from Berean Christian Ministries for more information.)</p>
<p>Please understand that I do not say this to pick on Oneness Pentecostals. There are plenty of Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, etc., who grow the fruits of the flesh too. There are also plenty of them who are truly saved and who grow the fruit of the Spirit. I am only pointing out that true Apostolic doctrine has nothing to do with speaking in tongues, and everything to do with trusting Christ for salvation and showing the evidence of that salvation by the fruit of the Spirit that grows in our lives when we are branches attached to the Vine (John 15:4-5<sup><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%2015:4-5;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">21</a></sup>).</p>
<h3>Summary:</h3>
<p>Now you know what I believe. I am Apostolic. I believe in One God Who&#8217;s Name is Jesus; I believe in justification through faith and sanctification by ongoing grace through faith; I believe that the evidence of salvation is shown through the fruit that grows in a person&#8217;s life. Furthermore, I believe that we all make mistakes and display our old unregenerated nature occasionally, but that the sign of salvation is that a person becomes more and more like Christ as time goes on. Furthermore, I believe that this Christ-like nature can only be produced by the grace of God when a person (branch) is grafted into Christ (the Vine) (John 15:4<sup><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%2015:4-5;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">21</a></sup>; <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans%2011;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">Rom. 11</a>).</p>
<p>Now, let me ask you: Do we really need more than this? In a nutshell I have summed up Apostolic doctrine. Moreover, I&#8217;ve done it on the spur of the moment at work and in less than two hours. I&#8217;m not saying that to brag about my biblical knowledge, I am saying it to make the exact opposite point: Apostolic doctrine is simple! A person doesn&#8217;t need a &quot;new revelation&quot; and they don&#8217;t need 16 gazillion Bible studies on why the Trinity is wrong and Oneness is correct (or vice versa). (For that matter, if a person believes that they are saved because of their belief in Oneness doctrine or Trinitarian doctrine then their faith is in the wrong place anyway). There&#8217;s One God, Jesus is His Name, and our faith needs to be in Him, not in how He accomplished the Incarnation.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s it. That&#8217;s the gospel. It&#8217;s Apostolic doctrine, and it&#8217;s what I believe.</p>
<p>I am Apostolic.</p>
<p>Oh, and one more thing: Here&#8217;s what I don&#8217;t believe. I don&#8217;t believe that Christians should divide and fight over non-salvation issues such as what&#8217;s said over you in baptism, the meaning of baptism, the nature of the Godhead, whether or not individuals are predestined, whether or not a person can &quot;lose their salvation,&quot; or what color the bathrooms are painted. I told that to a UPC friend one time and she mockingly asked me if I was just saying that we should all love each other and throw doctrine out the window. Well, I&#8217;m certainly not saying to throw doctrine out the window, but I am saying that we should hold fast to primary doctrines but avoid turning molehills into mountains (or unity into division) when it comes to issues that have absolutely nothing to do with a person&#8217;s salvation (such as eternal security or the color of the bathrooms).</p>
<p>And I am also saying that yes, we should love one another. Read <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans%2014;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">Romans 14</a>&#8230;especially the part where Paul says, &quot;Who are you to judge the servant of another&#8230;.To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand&quot; (4<sup><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans%2014:4;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">22</a></sup>), and then skip down to verse 17<sup><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans%2014:17;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">23</a></sup> and read, &quot;for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.&quot; When I read the New Testament I find that Paul brings up the subject of love and unity more times than I have tried to count, so it sounds to me like Paul considered it a lot more important than most of the things that Christians fight and divide over.</p>
<p><em>In Christ,      <br />Josh Spiers</em></p>
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<hr />References:
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<p><em>All Scripture references are from the 1995 edition of the NASB text unless otherwise noted. </em></p>
<p><em>Words that are in all capital letters are printed that way by the NASB editors to show that the author is quoting from an Old Testament text.</em></p>
<p><em>Words in bold print are words that I have bolded for emphasis.</em></p>
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<li>Mat 1:23      <br />(23) &quot;BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL,&quot; which translated means, &quot;GOD WITH US.&quot; </li>
<li>Deu 6:4      <br />(4) &quot;Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!
<p>Note: Lest a Oneness believer thinks that the NASB has &quot;Trinitarianized&quot; this passage, I would like to point out that the JPS (Jewish Old Testament, who&#8217;s translators firmly do not believe in the Trinity) translates this passage the same way.</p>
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<li>1Ti 1:3-7      <br />(3) As I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, remain on at Ephesus so that you may instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines,       <br />(4) nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith.       <br />(5) But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.       <br />(6) For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion,       <br />(7) wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions. </li>
<li>Joh 1:1-2      <br />(1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.       <br />(2) He was in the beginning with God.       <br />(14) And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. </li>
<li>1Co 15:3-4      <br />(3) For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,       <br />(4) and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures&#8230; </li>
<li>Joh 2:18-21      <br />(18) The Jews then said to Him, &quot;What sign do You show us as your authority for doing these things?&quot;       <br />(19) Jesus answered them, &quot;Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.&quot;       <br />(20) The Jews then said, &quot;It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?&quot;       <br />(21) But He was speaking of the temple of His body. </li>
<li>&quot;G1344&quot;. The Complete Word Study Dictionary </li>
<li>Joh 1:10-13      <br />(10) He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.       <br />(11) He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him.       <br />(12) But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,       <br />(13) who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. </li>
<li>Rom 3:19-28      <br />(19) Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God;       <br />(20) because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.       <br />(21) But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,       <br />(22) even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;       <br />(23) for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,       <br />(24) being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;       <br />(25) whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;       <br />(26) for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.       <br />(27) Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.       <br />(28) For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. </li>
<li>Rom 5:1      <br />(1) Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ&#8230; </li>
<li>Rom 5:8-9      <br />(8) But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.       <br />(9) Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. </li>
<li>Gal 2:16      <br />(16) nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified. </li>
<li>2Co 5:14-17      <br />(14) For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died;       <br />(15) and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.       <br />(16) Therefore from now on we recognize no one according to the flesh; even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him in this way no longer.       <br />(17) Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come. </li>
<li>Rom 6:11-15      <br />(11) Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.       <br />(12) Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts,       <br />(13) and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.       <br />(14) For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.       <br />(15) What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! </li>
<li>1Jn 2:1-2      <br />(1) My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;       <br />(2) and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world. </li>
<li>Jud 1:4      <br />(4) For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. </li>
<li>Mat 7:16-20      <br />(16) &quot;You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?       <br />(17) &quot;So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.       <br />(18) &quot;A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.       <br />(19) &quot;Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.       <br />(20) &quot;So then, you will know them by their fruits. </li>
<li>Gal 5:18-24      <br />(18) But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.       <br />(19) Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,       <br />(20) idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,       <br />(21) envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.       <br />(22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,       <br />(23) gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.       <br />(24) Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. </li>
<li>1Jn 2:3-6      <br />(3) By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.       <br />(4) The one who says, &quot;I have come to know Him,&quot; and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;       <br />(5) but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him:       <br />(6) the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked. </li>
<li>1Jn 4:1      <br />(1) Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. </li>
<li>Joh 15:4-5|      <br />(4) &quot;Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me.       <br />(5) &quot;I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. </li>
<li>Rom 14:4      <br />(4) Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. </li>
<li>Rom 14:17      <br />(17) for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. </li>
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		<title>When is Truth no longer true?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 01:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have you ever seen a house built out of cards? They’re amazing! I did a Google search to try to find a picture of one, and I found the Web site of the guy who holds the world record in building card houses. His record? Over 25 feet high. The thing is, I think the UPC’s record beats his by a few hundred feet. Why? Because the UPC’s theology is nothing more than a house built out of cards...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever seen a house built out of cards? They’re amazing! I did a Google search to try to find a picture of one, and I found the Web site of the guy who holds the world record in building card houses. His record? Over 25 feet high. The thing is, I think the UPC’s record beats his by a few hundred feet. Why? Because the UPC’s theology is nothing more than a house built out of cards.</p>
<p>I mean, look at this picture:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.whyileft.org/wp-content/uploads/WhenisTruthnolongertrue_B582/cards1.jpg"><img id="id" style="border-top-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px" height="345" alt="cards1" src="http://www.whyileft.org/wp-content/uploads/WhenisTruthnolongertrue_B582/cards1_thumb.jpg" width="260" border="0" /></a></p>
<p>You’ve got to admit that this guy is nothing short of amazing (check out his <a href="http://www.cardstacker.com/index2.html" target="_blank">Web site</a> for more pictures).</p>
<p>But now I want you to imagine something. Imagine that Felix the wonder kitten comes into the room and decides to scratch his back on the card house. Imagine that wonder kitty knocks out one of the four columns that the house stands on. What do you think would happen?</p>
<p>Well, from the look of the picture, the whole thing would collapse. But let’s say it doesn’t. Let’s say that it still manages to stand…except now it’s <em>really</em> tilted and unstable.</p>
<p>A few minutes pass, and then Felix the wonder kitten decides to sharpen his claws on the table that the house of cards is standing on. Now he takes out column number 2! And what happens? Well…Felix the wonder cat has just now used up one of his nine lives because he just got crushed by a massive amount of cards.</p>
<p>See, that’s the problem with a house of cards. It’s inherently unstable. It looks really, really nice, but if a strong wind (or an inquisitive cat) comes along and knocks just a few of the cards out then it’s no longer a house of cards. It’s then a <em>pile</em> of cards!</p>
<p>And that’s the problem with the UPC belief system. I am convinced that it is nothing more than a house of cards.</p>
<p>Here’s what I mean: The UPC has a fairly unique idea of truth. They believe that they alone possess truth, and that everyone else is wrong. The reason that this is unique is because most Christian denominations are more than willing to admit that they could be wrong about something. That’s why most denominations have a statement of faith that covers the things that they think are <em>really</em> important (usually things such as the virgin birth, the physical death, burial, and resurrection of Christ, the inerrancy of Scripture, etc.), but then they recognize that there are plenty of other things that the Bible just doesn’t make clear.</p>
<p>Well, the UPC doesn’t take that stance. The UPC believes that it’s right, and that’s that. There’s very, very little room for debate. The UPC’s mentality works like this:</p>
<blockquote><p>- We have truth      <br />- Therefore we are right</p>
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<p>If anyone questions <em>why</em> they have truth then they claim it’s because they have the Holy Ghost. Of course, what they really mean is that they speak in tongues, but that’s a separate issue.</p>
<p>Anyway, here’s the point: The UPC has built a house of cards. They have told their people that they are completely, 100%, totally right about everything. No room for doubting, no room for error, the UPC is right.</p>
<p>But then…what happens when the UPC is wrong?</p>
<p>Take make-up for instance. I am firmly convinced that a person simply <em>cannot</em> make a Biblical case for make-up being a sin. You just can’t do it. Why? Because it’s not in the Bible! There are three Scriptures—three!—that even <em>mention</em> make-up, and they don’t have anything bad to say about it! Yet the UPC claims that it is wrong for a woman to wear make-up.</p>
<p>And what about pants? More and more UPCers are admitting to me that they see nothing wrong with a woman wearing pants. But here’s the problem: <em>The reason that they continue to refuse to wear pants is because they say that they “have the Truth”!</em></p>
<p>The same goes for make-up, jewelry, and a host of other issues that more and more UPCers are seeing are not based on sound Biblical exegesis [interpretation].</p>
<p>Think about that for a moment.</p>
<p>So where am I going with all of this? Well, I’ll tell ya’ :)</p>
<p>What’s happening is that more and more cards are being pulled out of the UPC’s theological house. Beliefs about make-up are going, jewelry is going, TVs are long gone, pants are mostly gone (show me a UPC woman who doesn’t wear pajama pants and I’ll show you a rare UPC woman). But yet many people in the UPC are still convinced that Jesus’ Name baptism and speaking in tongues are necessary for salvation, so they continue to adhere to things that they no longer believe. Why? Because they are convinced that they “have the Truth.”</p>
<p>So my question to them is this: <em>When is Truth no longer true?</em></p>
<p>In other words, how many cards do we have to pull out before we realize that our house of cards is no longer a house? How many beliefs do we have to recognize are wrong before we recognize that there’s something wrong with the whole system?</p>
<p>It was the realization that the UPC’s belief system is a house of cards that was one of the main factors in my decision to leave. At some point in 2006 I realized that there was no way the UPC could have a “special revelation” from God and still hold to so many biblically unfounded beliefs.</p>
<p>I simply realized that Truth has to be true. If the UPC “has Truth” or is “in the Truth” then what it teaches will be, well, true! On the other hand, if even one of the UPC’s cardinal teachings is found to be incorrect then that brings the whole system under fire. It doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s all wrong, but it does mean that a person should seriously examine it to find out what else is wrong with system.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.whyileft.org/wp-content/uploads/WhenisTruthnolongertrue_B582/cards2.jpg"><img id="id" style="border-top-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px" height="244" alt="cards2" src="http://www.whyileft.org/wp-content/uploads/WhenisTruthnolongertrue_B582/cards2_thumb.jpg" width="244" border="0" /></a></p>
<p>I think that many people have already recognized that certain UPC doctrines are wrong. I encourage those people to examine the rest of what the UPC teaches to find out whether or not it’s correct. After all, it’s God’s Word that will judge us, not a denomination’s statement of faith.</p>
<p>Finally, I had two different UPC friends make this statement to me when we were talking about fallacies in the UPC’s beliefs: “Don’t throw out the baby with the bath water.” They both admitted that there were many things that the UPC teaches that they don’t believe, but they still believe the “main doctrines” (I.e., tongues, baptism, and hair for these two people), so they warned me to “not throw out the baby with the bath water.”</p>
<p>Here was my response to them: <em>“There is no baby!”</em></p>
<p>Too many cards are gone. The house has collapsed. I am convinced that the UPC doesn’t have a leg to stand on. Therefore, when I left I didn’t throw out the baby with the bath water…I just walked away from a pile of cards that collapsed a long time ago.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.whyileft.org/wp-content/uploads/WhenisTruthnolongertrue_B582/cards3.jpg"><img id="id" style="border-top-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px" height="436" alt="cards3" src="http://www.whyileft.org/wp-content/uploads/WhenisTruthnolongertrue_B582/cards3_thumb.jpg" width="299" border="0" /></a></p>
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		<title>The loss of our heroes</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 01:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems that the hardest problem for people to face when they leave the UPC is the one of figuring out what they believe and who they can trust. I know it's an issue that I faced, and from the forums that I have participated in and the discussions that I have been a part of I know that others have faced it well.

Today I was thinking about this and it struck me that if a person was raised in the UPC (as I was) then their greatest heroes are generally people in the UPC. My heroes were certain preachers who I saw as being full of wisdom and compassion, godliness and grace, mercy and anointing. These were the men that I aspired to be like more than anything else in the world. I wanted to have the tenacity that they had to "hold on to Truth." I wanted to have the anointing that they did and affect people in the same ways that they affected people...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that the hardest problem for people to face when they leave the UPC is the one of figuring out what they believe and who they can trust. I know it&#8217;s an issue that I faced, and from the forums that I have participated in and the discussions that I have been a part of I know that others have faced it well.</p>
<p>Today I was thinking about this and it struck me that if a person was raised in the UPC (as I was) then their greatest heroes are generally people in the UPC. My heroes were certain preachers who I saw as being full of wisdom and compassion, godliness and grace, mercy and anointing. These were the men that I aspired to be like more than anything else in the world. I wanted to have the tenacity that they had to &quot;hold on to Truth.&quot; I wanted to have the anointing that they did and affect people in the same ways that they affected people.</p>
<p>But when I left the UPC I found out that some of my heroes are actually enemies of the gospel. This does not make them bad men&#8211;far from it! They are not knowingly enemies of the gospel; they are doing what they are convinced is right. But yet I see that every time they &quot;win a soul&quot; to the UPC they are doing just that&#8211;winning a soul to the UPC (which is a far cry from winning a soul to the gospel).</p>
<p>Some might think I&#8217;m being melodramatic, but I do not think that it&#8217;s possible to overestimate the importance of heroes in our lives. We all have them, and we all need them. But where do we go when our heroes are stripped away?</p>
<p>I think that the best place we can go is to Jesus. We can let Him become our hero. And how do we do this? By focusing on His life, His character, and His ministry. After all, isn&#8217;t our goal to be &quot;just like Jesus&quot;?</p>
<p>I think that the best thing a person can do when leaving the UPC is to pick up a Bible (one that&#8217;s not the KJV) and read through one or two of the gospels. Then read through some of the epistles (especially James, 1st and 2nd Peter, and Galatians) with the goal of applying it, not just understanding it.</p>
<p>When we leave the UPC we seek so much to understand. We want to understand doctrine and to find out exactly what we believe. But in the last year I have found out that if a person seeks to just know Christ then understanding will come. This isn&#8217;t to say that a person should throw head knowledge out the window of course! There&#8217;s nothing wrong with seeking to understand the Bible. But let your main focus be Christ. After all, isn&#8217;t it He who shed His blood to redeem us and who rose again so that we might be free?</p>
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		<title>Why study?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 01:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the issues that pops up over and over again when people leave the UPC is the issue of trust. I was reminded of this again this evening as I was talking with my family about some of the reasons that I left the UPC. As we were talking, my sister-in-law stopped us to ask a question; she wanted to know why all of the study is necessary. She wanted to know why a person can’t just read the Bible and be saved. She and my mother even hinted that all of my Bible study might be getting me into trouble with God.

The first thing to understand when answering that question is that the Bible is designed so that anyone can pick it up, read it, and be saved. At the same time, the Bible is an incredibly deep book...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the issues that pops up over and over again when people leave the UPC is the issue of trust. I was reminded of this again this evening as I was talking with my family about some of the reasons that I left the UPC. As we were talking, my sister-in-law stopped us to ask a question; she wanted to know why all of the study is necessary. She wanted to know why a person can’t just read the Bible and be saved. She and my mother even hinted that all of my Bible study might be getting me into trouble with God.</p>
<p>The first thing to understand when answering that question is that the Bible is designed so that anyone can pick it up, read it, and be saved. At the same time, the Bible is an incredibly deep book. If a person picks up three Bibles–let’s say the King James Bible, New American Standard Bible, and The Message–then one will rapidly see that all Bible translations are not the same. One does not have to read for very long before they realize that there are many differences, small and large, between Bible translations. The miraculous thing is that the average person could pick up any one of these Bibles, read it, and be saved. God has ensured that the salvation message is not lost.</p>
<p>So why do I do all of the Bible study that I do? The reason is that I think of Christianity like flying a plane or steering a boat. Very small course corrections lead to major problems over long distances. If I am flying a plane and I am even a part of a degree off then I am going to miss my destination. Unfortunately there are many denominations that are off course right now. There are many individuals within those denominations who are saved, but the denominations as a whole are heading in an unhealthy direction.</p>
<p>I am convinced that the UPC is one of those denominations. That’s why I left.</p>
<p>My concern is with the health of Christianity as a whole. I cannot stay in a denomination that I feel is heading in the wrong direction. Of course, none of us will ever agree 100% with every other believer or every other denomination. But I want to align myself with a church that is making every effort possible to stick to Biblical truth.</p>
<p>C.S. Lewis–my favorite Christian author–described Christianity as a table (or he may have been describing God, I forget, but the analogy is still good). He said that it’s like a table. You look at the table, and it’s really simple. It’s got a few legs, it’s made of wood, and you put stuff on it. But if you want to know what the table is really made of then you have to understand molecules, atoms, physics, and many other things. It soon becomes impossible for the average person (meaning me) to tell you what a table is made of, or why it stays standing up.</p>
<p>This is the way that Christianity is. It is designed so that a person can look at it and say, “Oh, I need to place my faith in Christ and believe that He is the Messiah, the Son of the Living God, and follow Him.” But if a person really wants to understand the WHY of Christianity, then you have to go deep. You have to start dealing with the molecules and atoms of theology.</p>
<p>I want to know what makes Christianity tick. I want to go as deep as I can, because that’s what I feel that is what God is calling me to do. I understand that not everyone feels the same way, but I have a responsibility to “present [myself] approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth” (2 Tim. 2:15 NASB).</p>
<p>Is God upset with my studying? Is He going to deliberately deceive me because I am trying to understand His Word rather than following after men who speak in tongues? I don’t think so. John told people to “test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone into the world” (1 John 4:1 NASB). Now, I don’t know how John intended for people to “test the spirits,” but the only way that I know to do it is by comparing doctrines to the Word of God. Sure, no one’s going to see eye-to-eye on everything any more than every scientist is going to see eye-to-eye on the structure of sub-atomic particles. But I want to be as close to the source as I can get.</p>
<p>I guess if I miss it then I’ll have to fall back on the mercy of God, because that’s what this whole Christian thing is about anyway. I’m going to try my darndest to be in Truth, but I know that it’s not my studying or my knowledge that’s going to save me in the end; I will only be saved by “the grace of God” which brings “salvation to all men” (Tit. 2:11).</p>
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		<title>Why is questioning so bad?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a question. Why is it considered so bad to question doctrine in the UPC (and associated organizations)? I don’t think that I have ever heard a preacher get up and say that it is wrong to question doctrine, but I spent over 26 years in the UPC, and the impression that I always had is that it is a horrible sin to question doctrine.

Of course, some doctrines are worse to question than others (according to the typical UPC preacher). The doctrine that is #1 on the list of taboo’d doctrines is the doctrine of the Oneness of God. Other ones are high on the list as well, such as baptism in Jesus’ Name, speaking in tongues as the evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost, and more.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question. Why is it considered so bad to question doctrine in the UPC (and associated organizations)? I don’t think that I have ever heard a preacher get up and say that it is wrong to question doctrine, but I spent over 26 years in the UPC, and the impression that I always had is that it is a horrible sin to question doctrine.</p>
<p>Of course, some doctrines are worse to question than others (according to the typical UPC preacher). The doctrine that is #1 on the list of taboo’d doctrines is the doctrine of the Oneness of God. Other ones are high on the list as well, such as baptism in Jesus’ Name, speaking in tongues as the evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost, and more.</p>
<p>But aren’t we commanded in the Scriptures to question what we are taught?</p>
<p>For example, look at these Scriptures:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Now these were more noble-minded…for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so (Acts 17:10-12 NASB).</em></p>
<p><em>The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked(1Jo 2:4-6 NASB).</em></p>
<p><em>I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed (Gal 1:6-9 NASB).</em></p>
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<p>Here’s something that might shock some members of the UPC (it sure shocked me when I found out!): The “different gospel” that Paul was writing about was a return to the Mosaic Law!</p>
<p>Think about the implications of this for a moment.</p>
<p>You see, the UPC often uses this Scripture to tell people that anyone who preaches any doctrine other than the Oneness-Pentecostal-Holiness (a.k.a. UPC) doctrine is preaching a “different gospel,” but Paul was saying that the “different gospel” is a gospel that tells people to try to earn their salvation through acts of the Law!</p>
<p>But, you say, the UPC doesn’t teach the Law…or do they?</p>
<p>How about this:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>A woman shall not wear man’s clothing, nor shall a man put on a woman’s clothing; for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God (Deu 22:5 NASB).</em></p>
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<p>That’s straight out of the Mosaic Law! (Remember that the Mosaic Law is not the entire Old Testament, it is only parts of Exodus, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy.)</p>
<p>Is this really important, though? Sure it is! Look at what Paul said here:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery. Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you. And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace (Gal 5:1-4 NASB).</em></p>
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<p>See that? “[Y]ou who are seeking to be justified by the law [the Mosaic Law]’ you are fallen from grace.”</p>
<p>(Now, some of you scholars out there might be thinking that the UPC does not teach that women wearing dresses is necessary for justification. My response is that I don’t think the UPC has a clear distinction between justification and sanctification. Everything is all wrapped up together. Like a friend of mine told me the other day, “The UPC is a package deal–take it or leave it.” In my whole time in the UPC I can only remember meeting two preachers who could give definitions of justification and sanctification. I certainly never heard the topics preached.)</p>
<p>OK, now that I’ve satisfied the scholars, let me get back to my original question: What’s so bad about questioning what we’re taught? Paul told Timothy to “be diligent to present yourself approved to God, accurately handling the word of truth” (2 Tim. 2:15 NASB). John wrote, “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world” (1 John 4:1 NASB).</p>
<p>Read through the New Testament and you will see time and time again where people were encouraged to study Scripture. The best example of this is from the passage that I cited at the beginning of this blog:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>“The brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. Therefore many of them believed, along with a number of prominent Greek women and men’ (Act 17:10-12 NASB).</em></p>
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<p>I hardly even need to explain this Scripture passage, but I’ll give some quick background. Paul and Silas were going around on a missionary trip, and they came across a group of Christians who were getting together in the local Jewish synagogue and “examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.” What things? The things they were being taught! Did Paul and Silas condemn them for this? Did they tell the Bereans that they needed to just “listen to their pastor”? Did they preach a sermon on David and Saul to the Bereans, letting them know to “touch not God’s anointed”? No! Far from it! Paul and Silas commended them, and said that they were “more noble-minded” than some of the other groups, because they didn’t just receive the word, but they examined the word to make sure that it was correct!</p>
<p>Folks, don’t be afraid to question what the preacher is saying! Just because he claims to be preaching “under the anointing” does not mean that what he is preaching is correct! Just because you get goosebumps and get all excited doesn’t mean that the Spirit of God is approving of the message! Show respect for the preacher, but don’t be afraid to get into the Bible and study Scripture out for yourself! You just might be surprised at what you find when you do! :)</p>
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		<title>Response to UPC Bible study on Make-up</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Response to a Bible study written by Rev. M.G. Blankenship. Found at http://www.apostolic.edu/biblestudy/files/bwahprt3.htm. Accessed 12/21/06.

I am not going to reprint the entire study because it would take too much space. What I will do is show a piece from the Bible study and then respond to it. I do recommend that you read the entire Bible study and form your own conclusions.

Spelling and editing errors in the italicized errors are the mistake of the author of the Bible study that I am responding to. Spelling and editing errors in the rest of the article are my mistake...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Response to a Bible study written by Rev. M.G. Blankenship. Found at <a href="http://www.apostolic.edu/biblestudy/files/bwahprt3.htm" target="_blank">http://www.apostolic.edu/biblestudy/files/bwahprt3.htm</a>.       <br />Accessed 12/21/06.</p>
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<p>I am not going to reprint the entire study because it would take too much space. What I will do is show a piece from the Bible study and then respond to it. I do recommend that you read the entire Bible study and form your own conclusions.</p>
<p>Spelling and editing errors in the italicized errors are the mistake of the author of the Bible study that I am responding to. Spelling and editing errors in the rest of the article are my mistake.</p>
<h4>Rev. Blankenship writes:</h4>
<p><em>This is an issue of association: Without exception, every example of makeup in the Bible is associated with wicked women. Queen Jezebel when trying to seduce Jehu: ( who was a VERY WICKED WOMAN)</em></p>
<blockquote><p><em>II Kings 9:30 &quot;And when Jehu was come to Jezreel, Jezebel heard [of it]; and she painted her face, and tired her head, and looked out at a window.&quot;</em></p>
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<p><em>** Let’s be honest: we would have to recognize that what we call makeup is really nothing more than painting your face. THEREFORE, I could say I am going to Builder’s Square and buy a five gallon bucket of makeup for my house. The only difference between normal &amp; a clown is the amount. Somehow, paint sounds cheap, but makeup is &quot;cultural.&quot; - but it’s the same thing. Even the world acknowledges someone &quot;overdone&quot; as a &quot;Jezebel&quot;</em></p>
<p><em>Eye makeup started in Egypt about 3000BC . Egypt is a type of sin and bondage throughout the Bible. (it sure didn’t start in Israel among God’s people)</em></p>
<h4>My Response:</h4>
<p>Just because something started in Egypt, and Egypt is traditionally a type of sin, does not make something inherently evil. Egypt was one of the first civilizations to use irrigation, so is irrigation inherently evil? Of course not! The fact is that Egypt existed for thousands of years before the Hebrews were called out, so they had plenty of ideas. Just because they did something does not make it wrong. Egypt is a type of sin because the Israelites were held in bondage there. It was not a type of sin because of any particular thing that they did.</p>
<p>Now let’s look at Jezebel. Jezebel was a Phoenician princess who married King Ahab (note that she was not Egyptian). Jezebel was definitely an evil woman, but she was not evil because she painted her face. That has nothing to do with it. She was evil because she persecuted the prophets of God and things like that.</p>
<p>The point is this: If we cannot wear make-up because Jezebel painted her face, then we also cannot &quot;adorn&quot; our hair or look out a window.</p>
<p>See the logic here? Just because an evil person happened to do something does not mean that the action is evil.</p>
<p>Also, for what it&#8217;s worth, the only time Jezebel is mentioned in the NT is when a prophetess is called a &quot;Jezebel&quot; by Jesus. The reason? She was leading Christians to commit acts of immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols. Nothing about make-up there.</p>
<h4>Rev. Blankenship writes:</h4>
<p><em>Look at Solomon’s advice to young men:</em></p>
<blockquote><p><em>Proverbs 6:25 &quot;Lust not after her beauty in thine heart; neither let her take thee with her eyelids.&quot;</em></p>
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<p><em>Painting the face is direct, simple pride &amp; vanity at its rawest form . It is simply designed for sex appeal; it has no other purpose.</em></p>
<h4>My Response:</h4>
<p>The commandment in Proverbs 6:25 is to not lust after adulturesses. The statement, &quot;Neither let her take thee with her eyelids&quot; may or may not have anything to do with eye paint. The Keil &amp; Delitzsch Commentary on the Old Testament (one of the better Old Testament commentaries) has this to say about the subject: &quot;The warning, &#8216;let her not catch thee with her eyelids,&#8217; refers to her (the adulteress&#8217;s) coquettish ogling and amorous winking<sup>1</sup>.&quot; Of course, other commentaries (such as JFB and Clarke) think that the verse is talking about eye shadow<sup>2</sup>. We just don&#8217;t know for sure. Either way, the debate about whether or not &quot;take thee with her eyelids&quot; refers to eye shadow is pointless. The passage does not command women to not wear eye shadow, it only commands men to not lust after adulturesses. Men will lust over women whether or not they&#8217;re wearing eye shadow.</p>
<p>I also do not think it&#8217;s fair or right to say that make-up is &quot;simply designed for sex appeal.&quot; (Note that this is the same view that the UPCI takes in their doctrinal section when they say, &quot;Since the primary effect of makeup is to highlight sex appeal, we reject makeup as immodest<sup>3</sup>.&quot;)</p>
<p>This is not right.</p>
<p>Just because a woman uses make-up to enhance her physical appearance does not mean that she&#8217;s out looking for sex. If we follow this logic than anything that we do to enhance our physical appearance is &quot;immodest.&quot;</p>
<p>Is it wrong to put on deoderant? Is trying to smell nice enhancing our sex appeal? What about brushing our hair, or wearing matching socks? See where this is heading? Everyone wants to look nice, and there&#8217;s nothing wrong with that! The problem only comes when someone is obsessed with their physical appearance to the point of neglecting modesty or inward holiness.</p>
<h4>Rev. Blankenship writes:</h4>
<p><em>In the scripture: it always denoted boldness, seduction, ostentation and even prostitution.</em></p>
<p><em>NOTICE THESE TYPES OF GOD SPEAKING TO BACKSLIDING ISRAEL..</em></p>
<blockquote><p><em>Jeremiah 4:30 &quot;And [when] thou [art] spoiled, what wilt thou do? Though thou clothest thyself with crimson, though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, though thou rentest thy face with painting, in vain shalt thou make thyself fair; [thy] lovers will despise thee, they will seek thy life.&quot; Ezekiel 23:38-40 &quot;Moreover this they have done unto me; they have defiled my sanctuary in the same day, and have profaned my sabbaths. For when they had slain their children to their idols, then they came the same day into my sanctuary to profane it; and, lo, thus have they done in the midst of mine house. And furthermore, that ye have sent for men to come from far, unto whom a messenger [was] sent; and, lo, they came: for whom thou didst wash thyself, paintedst thy eyes, and deckedst thyself with ornaments.&quot;</em></p>
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<h4>My Response:</h4>
<p>Jer. 4:30 is not even hinting that women should not wear make-up. It only says, &quot;In vain you make yourself beautiful.&quot; I will reverse the argument by making this point: If this Scripture teaches that we can&#8217;t wear make-up to make ourselves look beautiful then it also means that we can&#8217;t wear scarlet or any gold. (Of course, there are some extremely fundamental churches that teach against wearing red or any gold, but they are the minority).</p>
<p>If Ezekiel 23:40 is associating make-up with harlotry, then it&#8217;s also associating taking a bath with harlotry. (I haven&#8217;t showered yet this morning, so I don&#8217;t suppose I&#8217;m a harlot yet today&#8230;but that will change before I go out this afternoon.) Please forgive the sarcasm, but you see how ludicrous this train of thought is!</p>
<h4>Rev. Blankenship writes:</h4>
<blockquote><p><em>Esther 2:13 &quot;Then thus came every maiden unto the king; whatsoever she desired was given her to go with her out of the house of the women unto the king&#8217;s house. 14 In the evening she went, and on the morrow she returned into the second house of the women, to the custody of Shaashgaz, the king&#8217;s chamberlain, which kept the concubines: she came in unto the king no more, except the king delighted in her, and that she were called by name. 15 Now when the turn of Esther, the daughter of Abihail the uncle of Mordecai, who had taken her for his daughter, was come to go in unto the king, she required nothing but what Hegai the king&#8217;s chamberlain, the keeper of the women, appointed. And Esther obtained favour in the sight of all them that looked upon her.&quot;</em></p>
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<p><em>The royal courts of the king used cosmetics &amp; jewelry. SHE RELIED ON INNER BEAUTY RATHER THAN MAKEUP TO WIN THE KING All she used was oil of myrrh perfume, and preparations to beautify the skin: (IE: perfumes, lotions, skin care, etc&#8230;)</em></p>
<blockquote><p><em>Esther 2:12 &quot;Now when every maid&#8217;s turn was come to go in to king Ahasuerus, after that she had been twelve months, according to the manner of the women, (for so were the days of their purifications accomplished, to wit, six months with oil of myrrh, and six months with sweet odours, and with other things for the purifying of the women&quot;</em></p>
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<h4>My Response:</h4>
<p>I do not mean to offend anyone, but this is possibly one of the worst examples of taking a Scripture out of context that I have ever seen! Esther was purified for six months with oil of myrhh and six months with spices and &quot;things&quot; (KJV) or &quot;cosmetics&quot; (NASB). (In reality the word that the KJV translates &quot;things&quot; and the NASB translates &quot;cosmetics&quot; refers to &quot;ritual purification following menstruation<sup>4</sup>&quot;; it is a difficult word to translate into English). Anyway, this is the point: The Bible never says Esther only used &quot;lotions&quot; and what-not&#8230;she was PURIFIED with them for one year. When she went into King Ahasuerus she could request whatever she wanted (verse 13), but the SECOND time that she was summoned to the King she only took what &quot;Hegai, the king&#8217;s eunuch&#8230;advised&quot; (verse 15).</p>
<p>Follow the pattern? Read the verses again: Esther goes into see the king, and she wears whatever she wants (13). Now she waits to see if the king calls her again (14). The king did call her again, and this time she goes with only what Hegai (who was the king&#8217;s eunuch, and who knew what the king liked) advised. The Bible says nothing about what Esther wore, only that she wore what Hegai advised the second time she went to see the king .</p>
<p>The girl could have been painted hot pink for all we know. If that&#8217;s what Hegai advised, then that&#8217;s what she did. The Bible just doesn&#8217;t say either way.</p>
<p>Also, let me make another point. The author of this Bible study is comparing Esther to Jezebel, like Esther is good and Jezebel is bad. Think about Esther for a second. Was she really that good?</p>
<p>The Babylonian diaspora (captivity) was over, and the Jews had been freed to return to their homeland, but Esther had stayed in Persia. When Esther was summoned to the king she hid her Jewish heritage. When the king selected her she married him, which was a cross-racial marriage&#8211;a direct violation of the Mosaic Law. Not only did she marry him, but she continued to keep her heritage a secret. We do not know what all she had to do to accomplish that, but it certainly involved breaking at least some of the ceremonial law (I.E. with the foods she ate, etc). THEN when she finds out that all her people are going to die, she&#8217;s still not sure what to do! Esther basically told Mordecai that she could not do anything because she had not been summoned to the king (Esther 4:11). Boo-hoo! In other words, Esther is so scared for her own skin that she&#8217;s debating whether or not to even help the Jews.</p>
<p>Esther finally got her act together, and it all turned out for the good. Now we view Esther as a heroine because of what she did, but the fact is that she was a backslidden, apostate Hebrew who only got her act together when the going got rough. Up until then she was hardly the role model that we make her out to be.</p>
<h4>Rev. Blankenship writes:</h4>
<p><em>DID YOU KNOW? American colonies between 1700-1800 makeup was outlawed? *** up until 1945-1950, it was considered sin by most churches</em></p>
<h4>My Response:</h4>
<p>It was considered sin for hundreds of years to defy the Roman Catholic church and to not take the sacraments. That doesn&#8217;t mean they were right. Man-made laws do not define what is Scripturally correct or incorrect.</p>
<h4>Rev. Blankenship writes:</h4>
<p><em>DO WE FOLLOW SOCIETY, OR THE SCRIPTURE?</em></p>
<blockquote><p><em>Acts 5:29 &quot;Then Peter and the [other] apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather that men.&quot;</em></p>
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<p><em>*** These are issues that do not always have specific scriptures of complete prohibition. *** ( Rather these are issues of Biblical Association )</em></p>
<p><em>PRINCIPLE OF INTEREST TO CONSIDER&#8230;</em></p>
<blockquote><p><em>EXO 38: 8 &quot;And he made the laver of brass, and the foot of it of brass, of the lookingglasses of the women assembling, which assembled at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.&quot;</em></p>
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<p><em>The Laver of water was a piece of furniture that gained them access to the Holy Place! It was made of the mirrors of the woman&#8230;</em></p>
<h4>My Response:</h4>
<p>Are mirrors a sin? Either they are or they aren&#8217;t. Nowhere does the Bible command women to give up their mirrors or their make-up.</p>
<p>I agree that we should follow God and not society. The fact remains, though, that God never said anything about not wearing make-up.</p>
<h4>Rev. Blankenship writes:</h4>
<p><em>Bro. Wayne Huntley one time said&#8230;&quot;Revival will come when we get the mirrors out of the women’s hands!&quot; His point: (symbolically) Our woman must get over this self conscious hurdle of the world.</em></p>
<h4>My Response:</h4>
<p>If Bro. Wayne Huntley means that women [and men] need to be more concerned with inward beauty and holiness than they do outward beauty, then I agree with him (cf. 1 Tim. 2:9-10) (although I&#8217;m not sure that will alone bring revival).</p>
<p>Furthermore, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s right that the UPC picks on women so much about their appearance. I spent my whole life in Oneness Pentecostal churches, and I promise you that there are just as many vain men as there are vain women. The same goes for the rest of society.</p>
<h4>My Conclusion:</h4>
<p>Here&#8217;s the point, folks: The New Testament repeatedly makes it clear that God wants inner purity and holiness. On at least one occasion (1 Tim. 2:9-10) Paul instructs women to be more concerned with that than with outward beauty. However, the New Testament never dictates any rules of apparel&#8211;whether it be clothing, jewelry, or make-up. For that matter, the OLD TESTAMENT never taught against make-up either. It&#8217;s just not there.</p>
<p>Folks, holiness is necessary, but it works from the inside out. The Bible never gave any church the right to dictate standards of dress (such as no make-up). The Bible is the rule of authority, not us. If a woman has a problem with vanity and she feels that she needs to give up wearing make-up, then that&#8217;s between her and God. We have no right to create a universal rule that says make-up is inherently sinful, and women should not wear it. When we do that we are trying to force holiness into a person from the outside, and that just doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
<h3>References:</h3><ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_40" class="footnote">Keil &amp; Delitzsch Commentary on the Old Testament, Johann (C.F.) Keil (1807-1888) &amp; Franz Delitzsch (1813-1890), Prov. 6:25</li><li id="footnote_1_40" class="footnote">A Commentary on the Old and New Testaments by Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset and David Brown, Prov. 6:25</li><li id="footnote_2_40" class="footnote"><a href="http://www.upci.org/doctrine/modesty.asp" target="_blank">United Pentecostal Church International - Modesty</a>, Accessed 2006-12-21 20:02:31</li><li id="footnote_3_40" class="footnote">The Complete Word Study Dictionary, © 1992 By AMG International, Inc., H8562</li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Response to UPC Bible study on Jewelry</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 01:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Response to a Bible study written by Rev. M.G. Blankenship. Found at http://www.apostolic.edu/biblestudy/files/bwahprt3.htm. Accessed 12/21/06.

I am not going to reprint the entire study because it would take too much space. What I will do is show a piece from the Bible study and then respond to it. I do recommend that you read the entire Bible study and form your own conclusions.

Spelling and editing errors in the italicized errors are the mistake of the author of the Bible study that I am responding to. Spelling and editing errors in the rest of the article are my mistake...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Response to a Bible study written by Rev. M.G. Blankenship. Found at <a href="http://www.apostolic.edu/biblestudy/files/bwahprt3.htm">http://www.apostolic.edu/biblestudy/files/bwahprt3.htm</a>.       <br />Accessed 12/21/06.</p>
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<p>I am not going to reprint the entire study because it would take too much space. What I will do is show a piece from the Bible study and then respond to it. I do recommend that you read the entire Bible study and form your own conclusions.</p>
<p>Spelling and editing errors in the italicized errors are the mistake of the author of the Bible study that I am responding to. Spelling and editing errors in the rest of the article are my mistake.</p>
<h4>Something to think about :</h4>
<p>I think that this Bible study is a prime example of how the UPC takes Scripture and twists it to make their point. Almost anything (including genocide) can be justified through the Bible&#8230;if you&#8217;re willing to twist Scripture to do it. Please keep that in mind as you go through this Bible study. What Rev. Blankenship writes looks really good on the surface, but when you delve in a little deeper you find that it&#8217;s all smoke and mirrors. Of course, I am not bashing him or his ministry in any way (I don&#8217;t even know the man, and I certainly have nothing against him). I believe he is very sincere in what he writes, but being sincere does not make someone correct.</p>
<p>We must always work <em>up</em> from the Bible. This means that we look at what the Bible says and we take our beliefs from it. We must never take our beliefs and then work <em>down</em> by trying to find Scriptures to justify what we already believe to be true.     <br />With that in mind, let&#8217;s begin.</p>
<h4>Rev. Blankenship writes:</h4>
<p><em>The scripture often associates &quot;excessive&quot; jewelry with Pride &amp; Idolatry. &#8212; look how consistently the association is made.      <br />When Jacob went back to Bethel to renew his relationship with God, he disposed of all the idols &amp; earrings owned by his family.</em></p>
<blockquote><p><em>Genesis 35:2 &quot;Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that [were] with him, Put away the strange gods that [are] among you, and be clean, and change your garments: (Verse :4) And they gave unto Jacob all the strange gods which [were] in their hand, and ]all their] earrings which [were] in their ears; and Jacob hid them under the oak which [was] by Shechem.&quot;</em></p>
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<h4>My Response:</h4>
<p>The earrings that Jacob&#8217;s family was wearing were almost certainly related to idolatry, but this does not mean that anyone who was wearing earrings is practicing idolatry. Also, there is nothing at all in the text that says that Jacob&#8217;s family was wearing &quot;excessive jewelry.&quot; This is what the JFB commentary has to say:</p>
<blockquote><p>[T]hey gave unto Jacob all the strange gods &#8230; and earrings — Strange gods, the “seraphim” (compare Gen. 31:30), as well, perhaps, as other idols acquired among the Shechemite spoil - earrings of various forms, sizes, and materials, which are universally worn in the East, and, then as now, connected with incantation and idolatry (compare Hos. 2:13). The decided tone which Jacob now assumed was the probable cause of the alacrity with which those favorite objects of superstition were surrendered<sup>1</sup>.</p>
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<p>The JFB interpretation&#8211;which appears to be the majority interpretation by OT scholars&#8211;makes sense. Jacob was obviously cleaning his house of anything relating to false gods. However, it is my opinion that it is rather ridiculous to assume that anyone who wears earrings today is practicing idolatry just because Jacob&#8217;s family did it several thousand years ago.</p>
<p>Thousands of years ago people built altars to false gods and sacrificed things such as bread, fruit, and meat to them. Does this mean that it is wrong to cook over a campfire today? Are we practicing idolatry just because someone did something similar 5,500 years ago when they practiced idolatry?</p>
<p>Almost everything that we do today can in some way, shape, or form be associated with a pagan custom. This does not mean that these same things descended from pagan customs.</p>
<h4>Rev. Blankenship writes:</h4>
<p><em>Look at God’s response to Israel after they made the golden calf out of their jewelry.</em></p>
<blockquote><p><em>Exodus 33:4-6 &quot;And when the people heard these evil tidings, they mourned: and no man did put on him his ornaments. For the LORD had said unto Moses, Say unto the children of Israel, Ye [are] a stiffnecked people: I will come up into the midst of thee in a moment, and consume thee: therefore now put off thy ornaments from thee, that I may know what to do unto thee. And the children of Israel stripped themselves of their ornaments by the mount Horeb. &quot; &#8212; (stiffnecked had to do with the long gold neck collars)</em></p>
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<p><em>Where did God’s people get the jewelry anyway?&#8212;Exodus 11:2&#8211; God told them to borrow it from the Egyptian neighbors prior to the exodus: His intent was to use it for his use, not their personal ornamentation. It was due to its value, not vanity!</em></p>
<h4>My Response:</h4>
<p>When reading this passage it is important to remember that the sin was the false calf, not the jewelry. It is also important to do some basic Bible study before drawing a conclusion&#8211;especially when trying to draw a doctrinal conclusion from a narrative text. Old Testament Christian commentators as well as Jewish commentators agree that removing jewelry was a sign of mourning or sorrow in the Near East. Clarke points out that the custom was still observed when he wrote his commentary in the 18th century<sup>2</sup>.</p>
<p>I am not an Old Testament scholar so I will not attempt to interpret this passage. Instead, I recommend that you read Adam Clarke&#8217;s comments on this passage. You can find them <a href="http://www.godrules.net/library/clarke/clarkeexo33.htm" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
<p>Clarke explains the historical context of the passage, but the K&amp;D commentary succinctly sums up what was going on:</p>
<blockquote><p>That this good beginning of repentance might lead to a true and permanent change of heart, Jehovah repeated His threat in a most emphatic manner: “Thou art a stiff-necked people; if I go a moment in the midst of thee, I destroy thee:” i.e., if I were to go up in the midst of thee for only a single moment, I should be compelled to destroy thee because of thine obduracy. He then issued this command: “Throw thine ornament away from thee, and I shall know (by that) what to do to thee<sup>3</sup>.</p>
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<p>Finally, it is worth pointing out that the word &quot;stiffnecked&quot; has absolutely nothing to do with &quot;long gold neck collars.&quot; The Hebrew word that the KJV translates &quot;stiffnecked&quot; is actually two words&#8211;H7186 and H6203. The best equivalent word in English is probably &quot;obstinant,&quot; which is just how the NASB translates it (I.E. &quot;You are an obstinate people&quot;&#8230;etc.).</p>
<h4>Rev. Blankenship writes:</h4>
<p><em>Another time Israel received gold from the Midianites, they offered it to God.( which is the proper response)</em></p>
<blockquote><p><em>Numbers 31:50-51 &quot;We have therefore brought an oblation for the LORD, what every man hath gotten, of jewels of gold, chains, and bracelets, rings, earrings, and tablets, to make an atonement for our souls before the LORD. And Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold of them, [even] all wrought jewels.&quot;</em></p>
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<h4>My Response:</h4>
<p>The only comment that I will make on this passage is that one should back up and <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=numbers%2031&amp;version=47" target="_blank">read the whole chapter</a> before drawing any conclusion. If one reads the chapter they will find that the men of Israel won a battle, and a certain amount of the spoil was given to them. They voluntarily chose to give all of the jewelry as an offering to God. No one asked them to do it, they did it of their own free will.</p>
<p>It is sad that Blankenship chose this Scripture as an illustration of &quot;pride &amp; idolatry&quot; (as he puts it). This is actually a beautiful example of a group of people giving a free-will offering to God out of their abundance.</p>
<h4>Rev. Blankenship writes:</h4>
<p><em>In Gidean’s day, Ishmaelites &amp; Midianites were distinguished from the Israelites by their use of Jewelry &amp; earrings.</em></p>
<blockquote><p><em>Judges 8:24 &quot;And Gideon said unto them, I would desire a request of you, that ye would give me every man the earrings of his prey. (For they had golden earrings, because they were Ishmaelites.) 25 And they answered, We will willingly give them. And they spread a garment, and did cast therein every man the earrings of his prey. 26 And the weight of the golden earrings that he requested was a thousand and seven hundred shekels of gold; beside ornaments, and collars, and purple raiment that was on the kings of Midian, and beside the chains that were about their camels&#8217; necks. &quot;</em></p>
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<h4>My Response:</h4>
<p>There are two important things to note about this passage:</p>
<ol>
<li>The translation of &quot;earrings&quot; is debatable. JFB commentary claims that it should be &quot;earring&quot; (singular)<sup>4</sup>. The NASB translates it &quot;earring&quot; as well: &quot;Gideon said&#8230;&quot;I would request of you, that each of you give me an earring from his spoil&quot;&quot; (Judg. 8:24 NASB). </li>
<li>Even if it does say &quot;earrings&quot; and not &quot;earring,&quot; it is very dangerous to read too much into this passage. Frankly, we do not know why Gideon asked for the earrings. We must remember that jewelry was not always worn for the same purposes that we wear it today. It was often worn for idolatrous purposes (as in Gen. 35:2-4) or even for amulets and charms<sup>5</sup>. There were many, many different reasons to wear jewelry in the ancient Near East. It is extremely dangerous to read a passage like Judges 8:24, see that Gideon asked for the earrings from his fallen enemies, and then make a general inference (such as, &quot;It&#8217;s a sin to wear jewelry&quot;). </li>
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<h4>Rev. Blankenship writes:</h4>
<p><em>REMEMBER: ISRAEL IS A TYPE OF THE CHURCH</em></p>
<h4>My Response:</h4>
<p>I do not see the connection between not wearing jewelry and Israel being a type of the church. Remember, Israel was never commanded to not wear jewelry. It was not in the Mosaic Law. (It is important to remember that the Mosaic Law defines sin, like Paul said in Romans 7:7).</p>
<p>The point that I am making is this: If wearing jewelry is such a horrible sin, then why is it not once mentioned in the Mosaic Law or the New Testament? Why do we have to go searching through stories in the Bible, piecing together stories that involve jewelry, and try to form a doctrine out of it? Don&#8217;t we think that it would have popped up just once in the Pauline Epistles if it was a sin? Wouldn&#8217;t it have been a problem in at least one of the early churches? I know that this is an &quot;argument from absence,&quot; but it is still powerful.</p>
<h4>Rev. Blankenship writes:</h4>
<p><em>LISTEN TO GOD’S JUDGMENT UPON THE PROUD, HAUGHTY WOMEN OF ISRAEL</em></p>
<blockquote><p><em>Isa 3:16 &quot;Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet: 17 Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts. 18 In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon, 19 The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers, 20 The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings, 21 The rings, and nose jewels, 22 The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins, 23 The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the veils.&quot;</em></p>
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<p><em>Even the articles of clothing that can be worn innocently, are judged here because of the spirit of pride. The same could be true for our generation.</em></p>
<h4>My Response:</h4>
<p>I&#8217;m going to repeat the passage from the NASB for clarity&#8217;s sake (the wording of the KJV is very archaic in this passage):</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Isa 3:16-23 NASB        <br />(16) Moreover, the LORD said, &quot;Because the daughters of