Comments on: Response to UPC Bible study on Make-up http://www.whyileft.org/responses-to-the-upc/response-to-upc-bible-study-on-make-up/ Thoughts from the mind of Josh Spiers: Formerly Apostolic Pentecostal, always Christian Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:07:09 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Kaley http://www.whyileft.org/responses-to-the-upc/response-to-upc-bible-study-on-make-up/comment-page-1/#comment-4753 Kaley Thu, 01 Jul 2010 23:07:09 +0000 http://test.jspiers.org/responses-to-the-upc/response-to-upc-bible-study-on-make-up/#comment-4753 Hey Josh, I have posted on your different sites and enjoy the reading. My husband and I have been in the UPC for over 30 yrs and are contemplating going to a non denominational apostolic church in our area. I know I will face rejection but fear I may never get over the man made rules that have been set before me all these years. Tho I know I have liberties in Christ as long as they dont violate morals and the flesh as is says in Galations and I have no desire to dress immodest I just want the liberty to live my life without people judging because Im not as holy as they are. I trim my hear, and wear some make up which I know my pastor doesnt approve of even tho he told my friend they were just guidelines I cant help but think how hypocritical thats being when he knows he thinks their next to the ten commandments. Thank you for this web site it helps me alot! Hey Josh, I have posted on your different sites and enjoy the reading. My husband and I have been in the UPC for over 30 yrs and are contemplating going to a non denominational apostolic church in our area. I know I will face rejection but fear I may never get over the man made rules that have been set before me all these years. Tho I know I have liberties in Christ as long as they dont violate morals and the flesh as is says in Galations and I have no desire to dress immodest I just want the liberty to live my life without people judging because Im not as holy as they are. I trim my hear, and wear some make up which I know my pastor doesnt approve of even tho he told my friend they were just guidelines I cant help but think how hypocritical thats being when he knows he thinks their next to the ten commandments. Thank you for this web site it helps me alot!

]]> By: Josh (Site Admin) http://www.whyileft.org/responses-to-the-upc/response-to-upc-bible-study-on-make-up/comment-page-1/#comment-4273 Josh (Site Admin) Tue, 01 Jun 2010 15:54:17 +0000 http://test.jspiers.org/responses-to-the-upc/response-to-upc-bible-study-on-make-up/#comment-4273 Frederick, comments for or against my articles or welcome. Comments against the messenger--whether it be me or any other commenter--are not. All posts "attacking the messenger" will be deleted. With that said, if you would like to know why I left Oneness Pentecostalism then please feel free to read my testimony at: http://www.whyileft.org/my-story/. God bless =) - Josh S. Frederick, comments for or against my articles or welcome. Comments against the messenger–whether it be me or any other commenter–are not. All posts “attacking the messenger” will be deleted.

With that said, if you would like to know why I left Oneness Pentecostalism then please feel free to read my testimony at: http://www.whyileft.org/my-story/.

God bless =)
- Josh S.

]]> By: Frederick http://www.whyileft.org/responses-to-the-upc/response-to-upc-bible-study-on-make-up/comment-page-1/#comment-4271 Frederick Tue, 01 Jun 2010 15:26:01 +0000 http://test.jspiers.org/responses-to-the-upc/response-to-upc-bible-study-on-make-up/#comment-4271 I am beginning to see that Josh Spiers may have left Pentecost because he did not see the true Biblical principles that surround our stance on the UPC. Running from a church or situation has never been the answer. Answering Gods word with true understanding is. I am beginning to see that Josh Spiers may have left Pentecost because he did not see the true Biblical principles that surround our stance on the UPC. Running from a church or situation has never been the answer. Answering Gods word with true understanding is.

]]> By: Frederick http://www.whyileft.org/responses-to-the-upc/response-to-upc-bible-study-on-make-up/comment-page-1/#comment-4269 Frederick Tue, 01 Jun 2010 14:54:49 +0000 http://test.jspiers.org/responses-to-the-upc/response-to-upc-bible-study-on-make-up/#comment-4269 Another point on the issue of makeup is that women do not need to do so in order to "enhance" their sex appeal. The fact of the matter is that God is in charge of who they should meet and who they should create a relationship with. Women wearing makeup to enhance their sex appeal are saying that they can "help" God to find them a suitable mate by doing so. In Genesis, we are told that when Adam was lonely that God saw this and created a woman from his rib. From Eve's point of view, she was "brought" to the man that God intended for her. God needed no "help" from Eve in pairing them up. This is also true today. God will bring a a woman to the man that is right for her if she will trust God in what He does. She does not need to "help" God do so by enhancing her sex appeal with makeup, sexy clothes etc. I have seen this truth happen so many times in real life and in our church of more than 1000 members. After coming into Pentecost, the Pentecostal men in our church still found the Pentecostal ladies in our church quite attractive and lovely WITHOUT MAKEUP, JEWELRY, FANCY ADORNMENT or other enhancements that worldly women believe is needed to "win" her a man. The pentecostal men and ladies get married and have been wonderfully fulfilled in their marriages. Another point on the issue of makeup is that women do not need to do so in order to “enhance” their sex appeal. The fact of the matter is that God is in charge of who they should meet and who they should create a relationship with. Women wearing makeup to enhance their sex appeal are saying that they can “help” God to find them a suitable mate by doing so. In Genesis, we are told that when Adam was lonely that God saw this and created a woman from his rib. From Eve’s point of view, she was “brought” to the man that God intended for her. God needed no “help” from Eve in pairing them up. This is also true today. God will bring a a woman to the man that is right for her if she will trust God in what He does. She does not need to “help” God do so by enhancing her sex appeal with makeup, sexy clothes etc. I have seen this truth happen so many times in real life and in our church of more than 1000 members. After coming into Pentecost, the Pentecostal men in our church still found the Pentecostal ladies in our church quite attractive and lovely WITHOUT MAKEUP, JEWELRY, FANCY ADORNMENT or other enhancements that worldly women believe is needed to “win” her a man. The pentecostal men and ladies get married and have been wonderfully fulfilled in their marriages.

]]> By: Frederick http://www.whyileft.org/responses-to-the-upc/response-to-upc-bible-study-on-make-up/comment-page-1/#comment-4268 Frederick Tue, 01 Jun 2010 14:40:59 +0000 http://test.jspiers.org/responses-to-the-upc/response-to-upc-bible-study-on-make-up/#comment-4268 I appreciate Pastor Blankenships comments. He is correct. Makeup is meant to create an illusion of what the women looks like. In a way it is saying that God did not do a good job on a womens looks and they need to improve upon it. Secondly a women constantly seek to increase her ability to lead men to their way of thinking or actions desired and use makeup to enhance this ability. A feeling of powerlessness comes upon those who are not wearing makeup in a world where other women are and they feel that they cannot compete for men and position of control without being on the same competitive "playing field" and feel disadvantaged in not wearing makeup. The truth of the matter is that a women does not have to wear makeup to bolster her looks in order to "compete" with other women with their "improved" looks for men and position. If they trust the Lord for their power and protection and position, wearing makeup becomes unnecesary. I Peter 3:5 "For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, WHO TRUSTED IN GOD, adorned themselves,..." Also the New Testament in Corinthians makes a statement to the effect that man is the image and glory of God and that the woman is the image of man. Makeup worn by women circumvents this truth by creating her own "image" and setting aside the glory of the the image of man who is made in the image of God. I appreciate Pastor Blankenships comments. He is correct. Makeup is meant to create an illusion of what the women looks like. In a way it is saying that God did not do a good job on a womens looks and they need to improve upon it. Secondly a women constantly seek to increase her ability to lead men to their way of thinking or actions desired and use makeup to enhance this ability. A feeling of powerlessness comes upon those who are not wearing makeup in a world where other women are and they feel that they cannot compete for men and position of control without being on the same competitive “playing field” and feel disadvantaged in not wearing makeup. The truth of the matter is that a women does not have to wear makeup to bolster her looks in order to “compete” with other women with their “improved” looks for men and position. If they trust the Lord for their power and protection and position, wearing makeup becomes unnecesary. I Peter 3:5 “For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, WHO TRUSTED IN GOD, adorned themselves,…” Also the New Testament in Corinthians makes a statement to the effect that man is the image and glory of God and that the woman is the image of man. Makeup worn by women circumvents this truth by creating her own “image” and setting aside the glory of the the image of man who is made in the image of God.

]]> By: Anika http://www.whyileft.org/responses-to-the-upc/response-to-upc-bible-study-on-make-up/comment-page-1/#comment-3238 Anika Fri, 05 Mar 2010 19:06:25 +0000 http://test.jspiers.org/responses-to-the-upc/response-to-upc-bible-study-on-make-up/#comment-3238 Just want to apologize if that came off rude. As I was reading Portia's comments I felt the need to say I'm not judging nor looking down upon ppl with different beliefs and opinions. I love that we can agree to disasgree and still show the love of God amongst one another. I don't think anyone is being overly critical and trying to sow discord among brethren. Once again I apologize for the tone that my first comment denotes. God bless! Just want to apologize if that came off rude. As I was reading Portia’s comments I felt the need to say I’m not judging nor looking down upon ppl with different beliefs and opinions. I love that we can agree to disasgree and still show the love of God amongst one another. I don’t think anyone is being overly critical and trying to sow discord among brethren. Once again I apologize for the tone that my first comment denotes. God bless!

]]> By: Anika http://www.whyileft.org/responses-to-the-upc/response-to-upc-bible-study-on-make-up/comment-page-1/#comment-3237 Anika Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:42:57 +0000 http://test.jspiers.org/responses-to-the-upc/response-to-upc-bible-study-on-make-up/#comment-3237 I don't quite follow you on your breakdown of Esther 2:13-14. It does not say Esther went to see the king twice. Verse 15 clearly states, "Now when the turn came for Esther.....", not when the king called for Esther's return. She had to wait her turn just like every other young woman and when her one and only turn came she requested nothing and won the favor and grace of the king. And where the heck does it say the king called her a second time?? Talk about taking Scriptures out of context! And about the whole make-up debate, make-up is immodest point blank no matter what the motives are for wearing it. Does anyone really know the meaning of immodest?? It means shameless, bold, forward, impudement, lewd, vulgar, obscene..I could go on and on. If it causes attention that does not glorify God, IT IS IMMODEST! I don’t quite follow you on your breakdown of Esther 2:13-14. It does not say Esther went to see the king twice. Verse 15 clearly states, “Now when the turn came for Esther…..”, not when the king called for Esther’s return. She had to wait her turn just like every other young woman and when her one and only turn came she requested nothing and won the favor and grace of the king. And where the heck does it say the king called her a second time?? Talk about taking Scriptures out of context! And about the whole make-up debate, make-up is immodest point blank no matter what the motives are for wearing it. Does anyone really know the meaning of immodest?? It means shameless, bold, forward, impudement, lewd, vulgar, obscene..I could go on and on. If it causes attention that does not glorify God, IT IS IMMODEST!

]]> By: monet http://www.whyileft.org/responses-to-the-upc/response-to-upc-bible-study-on-make-up/comment-page-1/#comment-2937 monet Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:28:52 +0000 http://test.jspiers.org/responses-to-the-upc/response-to-upc-bible-study-on-make-up/#comment-2937 the point isnt make-up or no make-up. the point is not to judge! no one has the right to damn me to hell but christ. because you are a human you sin there's no way around it. the more close minded you are the more room there is for ignorance to fill your head. as a college student i have to take classes that tell me things i dont really want to hear. but i listen, because when you pay attention you begin to find the flaws. for years women have been forced to meet the demands of men. to build up their ego and make them feel better about doing things that are wrong. ENOUGH! because a woman wants to feel better about herself she is a sinner? am i condonning recklessness of course not, but no one can make me feel inferior without my consent. in the end christ will be judging us not man. so i suggest we all get off our high horse! the point isnt make-up or no make-up. the point is not to judge! no one has the right to damn me to hell but christ. because you are a human you sin there’s no way around it. the more close minded you are the more room there is for ignorance to fill your head. as a college student i have to take classes that tell me things i dont really want to hear. but i listen, because when you pay attention you begin to find the flaws. for years women have been forced to meet the demands of men. to build up their ego and make them feel better about doing things that are wrong. ENOUGH! because a woman wants to feel better about herself she is a sinner? am i condonning recklessness of course not, but no one can make me feel inferior without my consent. in the end christ will be judging us not man. so i suggest we all get off our high horse!

]]> By: Robert Hackney http://www.whyileft.org/responses-to-the-upc/response-to-upc-bible-study-on-make-up/comment-page-1/#comment-2851 Robert Hackney Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:37:31 +0000 http://test.jspiers.org/responses-to-the-upc/response-to-upc-bible-study-on-make-up/#comment-2851 Another thing I need to say-the commant to 'love not the things of this world,' is NOT a command to despise the things of this world. The Abyssingians made that mistake, to the point where they regarded starving yourself to death an act of holiness! Another thing I need to say-the commant to ‘love not the things of this world,’ is NOT a command to despise the things of this world. The Abyssingians made that mistake, to the point where they regarded starving yourself to death an act of holiness!

]]> By: Robert Hackney http://www.whyileft.org/responses-to-the-upc/response-to-upc-bible-study-on-make-up/comment-page-1/#comment-2846 Robert Hackney Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:23:16 +0000 http://test.jspiers.org/responses-to-the-upc/response-to-upc-bible-study-on-make-up/#comment-2846 II Kings 9:30 has got to be one of the most grossly misinterpreted passages from the Bible. If one reads further, Jezebel certainly wasn't trying to seduce Jehu, she shouts taunts and insults at him. I think more likely, Jezebel knew she was going to die, and wanted to do so in full defiance(she was evil but she wasn't stupid) II Kings 9:30 has got to be one of the most grossly misinterpreted passages from the Bible. If one reads further, Jezebel certainly wasn’t trying to seduce Jehu, she shouts taunts and insults at him. I think more likely, Jezebel knew she was going to die, and wanted to do so in full defiance(she was evil but she wasn’t stupid)

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