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	<description>Thoughts from the mind of Josh Spiers: Formerly Apostolic Pentecostal, always Christian</description>
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		<title>By: Kimberly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 00:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Preacher, your last sentance shows your spirit and it was not necessary to your arguement.  It could be taken as sarcasm.</description>
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		<title>By: The Preacher</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 12:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The gifts of tongues is divers kinds of tongues= many different languages in the spirit.
 Not a natural gift this is the tongues Paul was talking about when he said do all speak with tongues.= languages from the spiritual divers kinds of tongues= many kinds of tongues or languages.

And no not everyone has this gift to speak in tongues more than one language in the spirit. but we all pray in an unknown tongue= singular= the initial sign of the holy ghost Acts 2:1-5 if the apostles got the holy ghost it this way we must to. The bible is the blue print. Mans words are not.
In all your getting get an understanding........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The gifts of tongues is divers kinds of tongues= many different languages in the spirit.<br />
 Not a natural gift this is the tongues Paul was talking about when he said do all speak with tongues.= languages from the spiritual divers kinds of tongues= many kinds of tongues or languages.</p>
<p>And no not everyone has this gift to speak in tongues more than one language in the spirit. but we all pray in an unknown tongue= singular= the initial sign of the holy ghost Acts 2:1-5 if the apostles got the holy ghost it this way we must to. The bible is the blue print. Mans words are not.<br />
In all your getting get an understanding&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: The Preacher</title>
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		<description>Don’t stop speaking in tongues	
1 Thessalonians 5:19 (KJV) 
19 Quench not the Spirit. 
Paul spoke in tongues
1 Corinthians 14:18-19 (KJV) 
18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: 
19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue. 
Paul said don’t stop speaking in tongues. But he said to do it in an orderly manner.
This chapter speaks of order in the church so not to confuse the unbeliever.
1 Corinthians 14:39-40 (KJV) 
39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. 
40 Let all things be done decently and in order. 
Do all speak with tongues? No not everyone has the gift of langueages or many= divers kinds of tongues.
1 Corinthians 12:10-11 (KJV) 
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 
We must read above and below the scripture to get a good understanding. When I am praying many times my tongue or language changes in the spirit. These things are spiritually discerned you cant find a commentary who does not speak in tongues to rightly divide the word of truth.
1 Corinthians 14:2 (KJV) 
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. 
If you don’t speak in tongues something is missing and you are not edified.
1 Corinthians 14:4-5 (KJV) 
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. 
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying. 
We must pray in an unknown tongue for this is in the spirit. But pray for interpretation he did not say stop praying in tongues. Paul said he will pray in the spirit and with an understanding. Paul is teaching the order of the gifts. If you don’t have the Holy Spirit you can’t pray in the spirit or tongues. 
1 Corinthians 14:13-15 (KJV) 
13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. 
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. 


1 Corinthians 12:27-31 (KJV) 
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. = (a gift of tongues=one of the gifts of the spirit.)
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? 
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way. 
Paul is saying everyone has their own gifts. The apostles spoke in tongues when they received the holy Ghost.

Acts 2:1-13 (KJV) 
1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 

When they were filled with the Holy Ghost they spoke in tongues, the spirit gave them this utterance.
Three thousand were baptized and joined the church. This is the only way to get into the church. The bible is right somebody’s wrong. the promise of the holy ghost and baptism in Jesus name is to all generations as you read, not just the jews.
Acts 2:37-41 (KJV) 
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. 
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. 
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. 
If I were you I would not take a chance, and not get saved, that is baptized in Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghost. You see I did not give you my opinion I gave you the scripture and the example of it. You se corrupt men come in and lead you stray from the faith they continue to study and learn but never come to understand the basic truth. We have been warned about men like this. If a man lack wisdom let him ask of God ask your pastor if he doesn’t have the answer wait on God to show you. Study to show thyself approved rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Timothy 3:1-9 (KJV) 
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was. 
If you’re not baptized in Jesus name your sins have not been taken away therefore you have unforgiven sin; the unforgiven person will not go to heaven. I did not make the rules God did you must be buried with him in water baptism. in Jesus name then you are called by God’s name he is coming for those called by his name not titles.
This is the Holy Ghost prophecy and speaking in tongues
Isaiah 28:9-12 (KJV) 
9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 
11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. 
12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. 
Hear is the Baptism =Water and Holy Ghost= Spirit prophecy for Israel and us today.
 Ezekiel 36:25-29 (KJV) 
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. 
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God. 
29 I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you. 
John 3:5 (KJV) 
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 
Your not in the kingdom unless you Baptized=Water and filled with the Holy Ghost=Spirit.

When I received the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit I spoke in tongues 28 year ago and it has never left me. I still pray in tongues as the spirit gives utterance. 
Repent and get saved while there is still time. A change is coming that will test all of us……..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don’t stop speaking in tongues<br />
1 Thessalonians 5:19 (KJV)<br />
19 Quench not the Spirit.<br />
Paul spoke in tongues<br />
1 Corinthians 14:18-19 (KJV)<br />
18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:<br />
19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.<br />
Paul said don’t stop speaking in tongues. But he said to do it in an orderly manner.<br />
This chapter speaks of order in the church so not to confuse the unbeliever.<br />
1 Corinthians 14:39-40 (KJV)<br />
39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.<br />
40 Let all things be done decently and in order.<br />
Do all speak with tongues? No not everyone has the gift of langueages or many= divers kinds of tongues.<br />
1 Corinthians 12:10-11 (KJV)<br />
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:<br />
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.<br />
We must read above and below the scripture to get a good understanding. When I am praying many times my tongue or language changes in the spirit. These things are spiritually discerned you cant find a commentary who does not speak in tongues to rightly divide the word of truth.<br />
1 Corinthians 14:2 (KJV)<br />
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.<br />
If you don’t speak in tongues something is missing and you are not edified.<br />
1 Corinthians 14:4-5 (KJV)<br />
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.<br />
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.<br />
We must pray in an unknown tongue for this is in the spirit. But pray for interpretation he did not say stop praying in tongues. Paul said he will pray in the spirit and with an understanding. Paul is teaching the order of the gifts. If you don’t have the Holy Spirit you can’t pray in the spirit or tongues.<br />
1 Corinthians 14:13-15 (KJV)<br />
13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.<br />
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.<br />
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. </p>
<p>1 Corinthians 12:27-31 (KJV)<br />
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.<br />
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. = (a gift of tongues=one of the gifts of the spirit.)<br />
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?<br />
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?<br />
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.<br />
Paul is saying everyone has their own gifts. The apostles spoke in tongues when they received the holy Ghost.</p>
<p>Acts 2:1-13 (KJV)<br />
1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.<br />
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.<br />
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.<br />
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. </p>
<p>When they were filled with the Holy Ghost they spoke in tongues, the spirit gave them this utterance.<br />
Three thousand were baptized and joined the church. This is the only way to get into the church. The bible is right somebody’s wrong. the promise of the holy ghost and baptism in Jesus name is to all generations as you read, not just the jews.<br />
Acts 2:37-41 (KJV)<br />
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?<br />
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.<br />
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.<br />
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.<br />
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.<br />
If I were you I would not take a chance, and not get saved, that is baptized in Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghost. You see I did not give you my opinion I gave you the scripture and the example of it. You se corrupt men come in and lead you stray from the faith they continue to study and learn but never come to understand the basic truth. We have been warned about men like this. If a man lack wisdom let him ask of God ask your pastor if he doesn’t have the answer wait on God to show you. Study to show thyself approved rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Timothy 3:1-9 (KJV)<br />
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.<br />
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,<br />
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,<br />
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;<br />
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.<br />
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,<br />
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.<br />
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.<br />
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.<br />
If you’re not baptized in Jesus name your sins have not been taken away therefore you have unforgiven sin; the unforgiven person will not go to heaven. I did not make the rules God did you must be buried with him in water baptism. in Jesus name then you are called by God’s name he is coming for those called by his name not titles.<br />
This is the Holy Ghost prophecy and speaking in tongues<br />
Isaiah 28:9-12 (KJV)<br />
9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.<br />
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:<br />
11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.<br />
12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.<br />
Hear is the Baptism =Water and Holy Ghost= Spirit prophecy for Israel and us today.<br />
 Ezekiel 36:25-29 (KJV)<br />
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.<br />
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.<br />
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.<br />
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.<br />
29 I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.<br />
John 3:5 (KJV)<br />
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.<br />
Your not in the kingdom unless you Baptized=Water and filled with the Holy Ghost=Spirit.</p>
<p>When I received the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit I spoke in tongues 28 year ago and it has never left me. I still pray in tongues as the spirit gives utterance.<br />
Repent and get saved while there is still time. A change is coming that will test all of us……..</p>
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		<title>By: The Preacher</title>
		<link>http://www.whyileft.org/truth/the-nature-of-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-3234</link>
		<dc:creator>The Preacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 09:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh you fight hard against the truth but I will tell you that many commentaries say that Mathew 28:19 was changed by King Constantine a pagan. Do some research on this? The Roman catholic church changed several scripture to suit their 3 God theory. There is only one God and his name is Jesus. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDx1elY9LN4

The new doctrine of trinity started 325 AD the bible never points to three Gods this is the original concept of trinity. Three Gods.

When you understand who God is you have no problem being baptized in his name. There is not one scripture in the bible where any one has ever got baptized in the name of the father son and holy ghost titles. So why should we do what is not written?

Repentence and remissions of sins is in his name Acts 2:38 (KJV) 
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 

This is why the apostles Baptized in Jesus name for the forgivenes of sin.
Notice the sinner’s prayer is to repent then be baptized. Not just to pray and say I am saved. Cornelius prayed but then he was baptized after going to Peter, to wash away his sins just like Paul has done using the name of the Lord in baptism.

Mark 16:16 (KJV) 
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 
Jesus said it. So I say what he says, if you refuse to be baptized you will be dammed for eternity. Repent and be baptized and believe.

Acts 8:14-17 (KJV) 
14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) 
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. 
Acts 22:15-16 (KJV) 
15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard. 
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
You cannot be a witness without the baptism first. You must have his name to be a true witness. And the Holy Ghost 
Colossians 3:17 (KJV) 
17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him. 
Anything you do must be in the name not the titles father son and holy ghost.
Acts 4:12 (KJV) 
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. 
You must use the name in baptism.
1 Peter 3:21 (KJV) 
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
 What does it save you from? Sin

Acts 10:43-48 (KJV) 
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. 
After they got the Holy Ghost they got baptized. Notice these gentiles received the Holy Ghost just like the Jews did.

These were John the Baptist disciple they believed but did not have the Holy Ghost. Belief is only the beginning. Belief alone does not mean you have everything you need as you will see here.
Acts 19:1-7 (KJV) 
1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, 
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John&#039;s baptism. 
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. 
7 And all the men were about twelve. 
We can prove the name of Jesus in baptism but Trinitarians can’t prove theirs. where any one ever said father son or holy ghost in baptism. You say that baptism is not important, why then did these men get re baptized by the great apostle Paul? Are you smarter than him? God told Moses to build according to the pattern he has not changed he is the same yesterday today and forever. The apostles obeyed what Jesus said to do. We must follow their example……….

The preacher....................</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh you fight hard against the truth but I will tell you that many commentaries say that Mathew 28:19 was changed by King Constantine a pagan. Do some research on this? The Roman catholic church changed several scripture to suit their 3 God theory. There is only one God and his name is Jesus. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDx1elY9LN4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDx1elY9LN4</a></p>
<p>The new doctrine of trinity started 325 AD the bible never points to three Gods this is the original concept of trinity. Three Gods.</p>
<p>When you understand who God is you have no problem being baptized in his name. There is not one scripture in the bible where any one has ever got baptized in the name of the father son and holy ghost titles. So why should we do what is not written?</p>
<p>Repentence and remissions of sins is in his name Acts 2:38 (KJV)<br />
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. </p>
<p>This is why the apostles Baptized in Jesus name for the forgivenes of sin.<br />
Notice the sinner’s prayer is to repent then be baptized. Not just to pray and say I am saved. Cornelius prayed but then he was baptized after going to Peter, to wash away his sins just like Paul has done using the name of the Lord in baptism.</p>
<p>Mark 16:16 (KJV)<br />
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.<br />
Jesus said it. So I say what he says, if you refuse to be baptized you will be dammed for eternity. Repent and be baptized and believe.</p>
<p>Acts 8:14-17 (KJV)<br />
14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:<br />
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:<br />
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)<br />
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.<br />
Acts 22:15-16 (KJV)<br />
15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.<br />
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.<br />
You cannot be a witness without the baptism first. You must have his name to be a true witness. And the Holy Ghost<br />
Colossians 3:17 (KJV)<br />
17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.<br />
Anything you do must be in the name not the titles father son and holy ghost.<br />
Acts 4:12 (KJV)<br />
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.<br />
You must use the name in baptism.<br />
1 Peter 3:21 (KJV)<br />
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:<br />
 What does it save you from? Sin</p>
<p>Acts 10:43-48 (KJV)<br />
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.<br />
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.<br />
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.<br />
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,<br />
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?<br />
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.<br />
After they got the Holy Ghost they got baptized. Notice these gentiles received the Holy Ghost just like the Jews did.</p>
<p>These were John the Baptist disciple they believed but did not have the Holy Ghost. Belief is only the beginning. Belief alone does not mean you have everything you need as you will see here.<br />
Acts 19:1-7 (KJV)<br />
1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,<br />
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.<br />
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John&#8217;s baptism.<br />
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.<br />
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.<br />
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.<br />
7 And all the men were about twelve.<br />
We can prove the name of Jesus in baptism but Trinitarians can’t prove theirs. where any one ever said father son or holy ghost in baptism. You say that baptism is not important, why then did these men get re baptized by the great apostle Paul? Are you smarter than him? God told Moses to build according to the pattern he has not changed he is the same yesterday today and forever. The apostles obeyed what Jesus said to do. We must follow their example……….</p>
<p>The preacher&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Josh (Site Admin)</title>
		<link>http://www.whyileft.org/truth/the-nature-of-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-3016</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh (Site Admin)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JB, I appreciate your feedback. I carefully read and examined the points that you made. After examining your feedback, I have decided that the conclusions drawn in my article were correct and not flawed.

This article was written specifically to people in the UPC and associated organizations. It was written in response to address the way that they use the phrase &quot;in the Truth&quot; (a phrase that an attendee will hear almost every service). This article was not meant to be an exhaustive study or philosophical discussion on everything that truth is and is not. It was meant to address one particular usage of the term amongst one particular group of people.

With that said, my premise was not flawed. If you look up the word &quot;Truth&quot; in almost any dictionary and you will see that one of the meanings is &quot;conformity to reality or actuality.&quot; For example:

Princeton Wordnet definition #2: &quot;conformity to reality or actuality&quot;

Nelson&#039;s New Illustrated Bible Dictionary definition #1: &quot;conformity to fact or actuality&quot;

Merriam-Webster&#039;s Collegiate Dictionary definitions 2a (1) and (2): &quot;the state of being the case : fact&quot; and &quot;the body of real things, events, and facts : actuality&quot;

Additionally, the opposite of truth is falsehood--at least according to Easton&#039;s Bible Dictionary. Easton&#039;s says that truth in the biblical sense is &quot;that which is opposed to falsehood.&quot;

With that said, I agree with you that Jesus is Truth. I also agree with you that truth, in the sense of Christ, is a &quot;who&quot; and not a &quot;what.&quot; I have used those exact same words many times in personal correspondence. However, Truth in the sense of Christ &quot;being the Truth&quot; is not the only definition of the word in either a linguistic or biblical sense.

So in the end I stand by my premise. My premise agrees with both secular and theological definitions of truth. Yes, Jesus is the ultimate Truth, but that is not the issue that I was addressing in this article.

Thanks again for reading and for your feedback.

In Christ,
- Josh S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JB, I appreciate your feedback. I carefully read and examined the points that you made. After examining your feedback, I have decided that the conclusions drawn in my article were correct and not flawed.</p>
<p>This article was written specifically to people in the UPC and associated organizations. It was written in response to address the way that they use the phrase &#8220;in the Truth&#8221; (a phrase that an attendee will hear almost every service). This article was not meant to be an exhaustive study or philosophical discussion on everything that truth is and is not. It was meant to address one particular usage of the term amongst one particular group of people.</p>
<p>With that said, my premise was not flawed. If you look up the word &#8220;Truth&#8221; in almost any dictionary and you will see that one of the meanings is &#8220;conformity to reality or actuality.&#8221; For example:</p>
<p>Princeton Wordnet definition #2: &#8220;conformity to reality or actuality&#8221;</p>
<p>Nelson&#8217;s New Illustrated Bible Dictionary definition #1: &#8220;conformity to fact or actuality&#8221;</p>
<p>Merriam-Webster&#8217;s Collegiate Dictionary definitions 2a (1) and (2): &#8220;the state of being the case : fact&#8221; and &#8220;the body of real things, events, and facts : actuality&#8221;</p>
<p>Additionally, the opposite of truth is falsehood&#8211;at least according to Easton&#8217;s Bible Dictionary. Easton&#8217;s says that truth in the biblical sense is &#8220;that which is opposed to falsehood.&#8221;</p>
<p>With that said, I agree with you that Jesus is Truth. I also agree with you that truth, in the sense of Christ, is a &#8220;who&#8221; and not a &#8220;what.&#8221; I have used those exact same words many times in personal correspondence. However, Truth in the sense of Christ &#8220;being the Truth&#8221; is not the only definition of the word in either a linguistic or biblical sense.</p>
<p>So in the end I stand by my premise. My premise agrees with both secular and theological definitions of truth. Yes, Jesus is the ultimate Truth, but that is not the issue that I was addressing in this article.</p>
<p>Thanks again for reading and for your feedback.</p>
<p>In Christ,<br />
- Josh S.</p>
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		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh,

I&#039;m not familiar with UPC.  Your professors foundational premise (subsequently yours) concerning Truth is flawed.  True and Truth are not always related.  Your professor&#039;s definition of Truth is the definition of &quot;true&quot; and quite distant from the meaning of Truth.  What was the answer to Moses question to God &quot;Who shall I say sent me&quot;?  I Am that I Am.  What was Pilates&#039; question again?  What is Truth?

Truth isn&#039;t a &quot;what&quot; it is a &quot;who&quot;.  John 14:6 &quot;(I AM) the way, THE TRUTH, and the life.  The definition &quot;Truth is that which is consistent and corresponds to reality&quot; necessarily requires that evil be a part of Truth.  Is evil consistent and does it correspond with reality? Yes. Is it eternal? No.  Anything that is not eternal is not Truth.

If the above is the definition of Truth then logically Jesus is evil and Jesus is God in the flesh therefore Father God is evil.  Logic Law #1 broken through contradiction. 

 Jesus cannot be Holy nor can he be Truth if evil is Truth.  Evil is true.  Evil will not last forever.  True is relational.  Truth is foundational. 

 Lastly, you state that the opposite of Truth is falsehood.  The opposite of &quot;true&quot; is falsehood.  Eternally, there is no opposite to Truth.  Duality is broken in Truth.

There are 3 eternal attributes that people must know about God in order to live our lives as Jesus did and I encourage you and your readers to study them in depth and put them into practice....Holy, Truth, and Love.  

Quit wasting your time hammering your former church and looking for validation through it.  God is the judge.  Outlove everybody with your actions.  The essence of the 2 greatest commands is the action word (verb) LOVE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not familiar with UPC.  Your professors foundational premise (subsequently yours) concerning Truth is flawed.  True and Truth are not always related.  Your professor&#8217;s definition of Truth is the definition of &#8220;true&#8221; and quite distant from the meaning of Truth.  What was the answer to Moses question to God &#8220;Who shall I say sent me&#8221;?  I Am that I Am.  What was Pilates&#8217; question again?  What is Truth?</p>
<p>Truth isn&#8217;t a &#8220;what&#8221; it is a &#8220;who&#8221;.  John 14:6 &#8220;(I AM) the way, THE TRUTH, and the life.  The definition &#8220;Truth is that which is consistent and corresponds to reality&#8221; necessarily requires that evil be a part of Truth.  Is evil consistent and does it correspond with reality? Yes. Is it eternal? No.  Anything that is not eternal is not Truth.</p>
<p>If the above is the definition of Truth then logically Jesus is evil and Jesus is God in the flesh therefore Father God is evil.  Logic Law #1 broken through contradiction. </p>
<p> Jesus cannot be Holy nor can he be Truth if evil is Truth.  Evil is true.  Evil will not last forever.  True is relational.  Truth is foundational. </p>
<p> Lastly, you state that the opposite of Truth is falsehood.  The opposite of &#8220;true&#8221; is falsehood.  Eternally, there is no opposite to Truth.  Duality is broken in Truth.</p>
<p>There are 3 eternal attributes that people must know about God in order to live our lives as Jesus did and I encourage you and your readers to study them in depth and put them into practice&#8230;.Holy, Truth, and Love.  </p>
<p>Quit wasting your time hammering your former church and looking for validation through it.  God is the judge.  Outlove everybody with your actions.  The essence of the 2 greatest commands is the action word (verb) LOVE</p>
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		<dc:creator>Sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Oneness 20 year preacher husband argues the point of speaking in tongues.  He states that the tongues spoken at pentecost were the initial infilling of the holy spirit.  1 Cor. verses were written to the church in Corinth, at a later date, and the &#039;not all speak in tongues, do they?&#039; verse only refers to the church at that time, as those believers had already had the initial infilling of the holy spirit, which according to him is a separate occurence from &#039;just&#039; speaking in tongues!  Any help here? Ahhhhh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Oneness 20 year preacher husband argues the point of speaking in tongues.  He states that the tongues spoken at pentecost were the initial infilling of the holy spirit.  1 Cor. verses were written to the church in Corinth, at a later date, and the &#8216;not all speak in tongues, do they?&#8217; verse only refers to the church at that time, as those believers had already had the initial infilling of the holy spirit, which according to him is a separate occurence from &#8216;just&#8217; speaking in tongues!  Any help here? Ahhhhh</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh,
Can you email me? I cant find any contact email on this site for you, but respect your studies very much and wanted to ask you a question about tongues... I think 1 Cor 14:18 clearly shows Paul spoke in tongues... and theres another verse too but Im trying to find it... where Paul says they experienced it just as he had at the first...email me! Blessings!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh,<br />
Can you email me? I cant find any contact email on this site for you, but respect your studies very much and wanted to ask you a question about tongues&#8230; I think 1 Cor 14:18 clearly shows Paul spoke in tongues&#8230; and theres another verse too but Im trying to find it&#8230; where Paul says they experienced it just as he had at the first&#8230;email me! Blessings!</p>
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