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	<description>Thoughts from the mind of Josh Spiers: Formerly Apostolic Pentecostal, always Christian</description>
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		<title>Comment on What does the Bible say about women wearing pants? by Dorothee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorothee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 06:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don't men  in today's society wear dresses and skirts  and blouses In public places like to the stores and resturants?  if  its socialy acceptable in public places for women to wear pants why is it not for men to wear dresses  and skirt and blouses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t men  in today&#8217;s society wear dresses and skirts  and blouses In public places like to the stores and resturants?  if  its socialy acceptable in public places for women to wear pants why is it not for men to wear dresses  and skirt and blouses.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Response to UPC Bible study on Make-up by Dorothee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorothee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 05:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets  put  aside religion for A moment. What good does make-up do fore anybody ! personally myself I don't see any real purpose for make-up  unless A person is severely deformed and maybe could cover some of it up A bit. I don't understand why this preacher is so bent on making A case fore make-up . personally i think it makes people looks fake  like A clown. On A religious point I could understand why god would not like it  Its A waist of time  !!  Is make-up really that important.  Liberal Christian's  don't want god to tell them how to live there lives  . You know if it feels good do it  . But they want the government to tell them how to  live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets  put  aside religion for A moment. What good does make-up do fore anybody ! personally myself I don&#8217;t see any real purpose for make-up  unless A person is severely deformed and maybe could cover some of it up A bit. I don&#8217;t understand why this preacher is so bent on making A case fore make-up . personally i think it makes people looks fake  like A clown. On A religious point I could understand why god would not like it  Its A waist of time  !!  Is make-up really that important.  Liberal Christian&#8217;s  don&#8217;t want god to tell them how to live there lives  . You know if it feels good do it  . But they want the government to tell them how to  live.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Response to UPC Bible study on women wearing pants by Luz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 05:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloomers_(clothing)

I lived a teenage life hating church because I didn't want to look different then every one else.  I wanted to be just like all the other girls and fit in.  I couldn't wear makeup, cut my hair, wear short sleeves, go to the movies, watch TV (it was called Satan's Box), couldn't hang around "WORLDLY" people, YOu didn't have a prayer life unless you prayed for hours on your knees.  Now 47 years old and reconciled with the Lord I realize and know deep in my heart that Jesus lives in me, with my pants, make up, short sleeves and my "wordly friends" are the ones I love and love me and those are the ones God has put in my path to be a light of who He is in me and be in there's.  What ever is a hinderance in your walk from God is what needs to be removed, and the only person who can tell you that is the Holy Spirit. (yes, my legalistic Friends, I am also HOLY SPIRIT FILLED).  There are people out there who are looking for peace, joy and love in there life and if we take our focus away from these materialistic way of thinking, then we can actually allow God to help us see the need in a person and allow Him to help that person find Christ.  I learned that I can't waste my time on people who want to debate on what's right and wrong. What your heart is clothes in is what really matters. Is it clothed in Judgement, hate, prejudice, war, lies or is it clothed in Jesus who loved even the farisees.</description>
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<p>I lived a teenage life hating church because I didn&#8217;t want to look different then every one else.  I wanted to be just like all the other girls and fit in.  I couldn&#8217;t wear makeup, cut my hair, wear short sleeves, go to the movies, watch TV (it was called Satan&#8217;s Box), couldn&#8217;t hang around &#8220;WORLDLY&#8221; people, YOu didn&#8217;t have a prayer life unless you prayed for hours on your knees.  Now 47 years old and reconciled with the Lord I realize and know deep in my heart that Jesus lives in me, with my pants, make up, short sleeves and my &#8220;wordly friends&#8221; are the ones I love and love me and those are the ones God has put in my path to be a light of who He is in me and be in there&#8217;s.  What ever is a hinderance in your walk from God is what needs to be removed, and the only person who can tell you that is the Holy Spirit. (yes, my legalistic Friends, I am also HOLY SPIRIT FILLED).  There are people out there who are looking for peace, joy and love in there life and if we take our focus away from these materialistic way of thinking, then we can actually allow God to help us see the need in a person and allow Him to help that person find Christ.  I learned that I can&#8217;t waste my time on people who want to debate on what&#8217;s right and wrong. What your heart is clothes in is what really matters. Is it clothed in Judgement, hate, prejudice, war, lies or is it clothed in Jesus who loved even the farisees.</p>
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		<title>Comment on James 2:19 (Misinterpreted Scriptures) by Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.whyileft.org/frequently-misinterpreted-scriptures/james-219-misinterpreted-scriptures/#comment-450</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sis. Jeanie, thank you for writing. Your questions and thoughts do not bother me at all. I always appreciate feedback.

I have written on baptism in other sections of this Web site (see my comments on Mat. 28:18-20 in the Misinterpreted Scriptures section, for example) so I will not repeat all of that here. All I will do is make one simple statement that I believe sums up the essence of the whole debate: Jesus will not send people to hell for obeying Him.

Period.

I will hold that view to my dying breath. 

Jesus said for people to be baptized in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, and people will not be sent to hell for taking him literally. He's not a trickster who will tell people at judgment, "Oh, I didn't *really* mean that."

I know that my statement is bold and that it could even appear harsh to those who disagree. I ask you to forgive me for any harshness, and to understand that my boldness is not directed at you. No, my boldness is directed at those who twist the words of our Lord and Savior to the point of claiming people will go to hell for doing what He commanded.

Thank you for your concern for me and for your questions, sister. I do consider Oneness folks brothers and sisters in Christ, just like I always have. I also consider Trinitarian folks brothers and sisters in Christ :).

All of what I just said might lead a person to think that I am now a Trinitarian, or that I am anti-Oneness. The truth is that right now, as of this writing, I am neither. I confess that I simply don't understand the nature of God. From my studies of church history I have decided that the doctrine of the Trinity is a more accurate description of God than the doctrine of Oneness, but I do not think it is a perfect description.

(Speaking of church history, the doctrine of "Oneness" [I.e. modalism or Sabellianism] was never widely held at any point in church history. Contrary to what Oneness theologians such as Dr. Bernard say, there was never any great "falling away" from modalist [Oneness] theology. The reason there was no great falling away from modalist theology is because there was nothing to fall away from!)

About baptism: I believe with all of my heart that being baptized in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost is equivalent to being baptized in the Name of Jesus. I also believe that being baptized in the Name of Jesus is equivalent to being baptized in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. It is not a "magic formula" that saves a person (if it were, then we need to be speaking in Aramaic and/or Koine Greek when we baptize people, since that's what Jesus and the disciples spoke). No, it is not a magic formula. It is the applied blood of Christ to a person's life.

Thank you again for your concerns. I hope I've answered your questions. Please feel free to write any time. God bless, and Merry Christmas!

~ Josh S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sis. Jeanie, thank you for writing. Your questions and thoughts do not bother me at all. I always appreciate feedback.</p>
<p>I have written on baptism in other sections of this Web site (see my comments on Mat. 28:18-20 in the Misinterpreted Scriptures section, for example) so I will not repeat all of that here. All I will do is make one simple statement that I believe sums up the essence of the whole debate: Jesus will not send people to hell for obeying Him.</p>
<p>Period.</p>
<p>I will hold that view to my dying breath. </p>
<p>Jesus said for people to be baptized in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, and people will not be sent to hell for taking him literally. He&#8217;s not a trickster who will tell people at judgment, &#8220;Oh, I didn&#8217;t *really* mean that.&#8221;</p>
<p>I know that my statement is bold and that it could even appear harsh to those who disagree. I ask you to forgive me for any harshness, and to understand that my boldness is not directed at you. No, my boldness is directed at those who twist the words of our Lord and Savior to the point of claiming people will go to hell for doing what He commanded.</p>
<p>Thank you for your concern for me and for your questions, sister. I do consider Oneness folks brothers and sisters in Christ, just like I always have. I also consider Trinitarian folks brothers and sisters in Christ :).</p>
<p>All of what I just said might lead a person to think that I am now a Trinitarian, or that I am anti-Oneness. The truth is that right now, as of this writing, I am neither. I confess that I simply don&#8217;t understand the nature of God. From my studies of church history I have decided that the doctrine of the Trinity is a more accurate description of God than the doctrine of Oneness, but I do not think it is a perfect description.</p>
<p>(Speaking of church history, the doctrine of &#8220;Oneness&#8221; [I.e. modalism or Sabellianism] was never widely held at any point in church history. Contrary to what Oneness theologians such as Dr. Bernard say, there was never any great &#8220;falling away&#8221; from modalist [Oneness] theology. The reason there was no great falling away from modalist theology is because there was nothing to fall away from!)</p>
<p>About baptism: I believe with all of my heart that being baptized in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost is equivalent to being baptized in the Name of Jesus. I also believe that being baptized in the Name of Jesus is equivalent to being baptized in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. It is not a &#8220;magic formula&#8221; that saves a person (if it were, then we need to be speaking in Aramaic and/or Koine Greek when we baptize people, since that&#8217;s what Jesus and the disciples spoke). No, it is not a magic formula. It is the applied blood of Christ to a person&#8217;s life.</p>
<p>Thank you again for your concerns. I hope I&#8217;ve answered your questions. Please feel free to write any time. God bless, and Merry Christmas!</p>
<p>~ Josh S.</p>
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		<title>Comment on James 2:19 (Misinterpreted Scriptures) by jeanie stone</title>
		<link>http://www.whyileft.org/frequently-misinterpreted-scriptures/james-219-misinterpreted-scriptures/#comment-448</link>
		<dc:creator>jeanie stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i hope that you are saying that there is only ONE GOD.  we are no longer u.p.c.i. either but we still hold fast to the One God message. i am in no way responding to hurt or condem but rather to ask if you understand the fullness of the God head bodily and realize that taking on the name of  Jesus  as in Acts  is taking on God as the Father, God as the Son and God as the Holy Ghost.  when baptizing in Jesus name You take on all of God in one person. you cannt get around  acts 2 :38 it simply states the truth in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and this is new test. teaching so it is for the church of today.there is prophecy for old to the new for the churches salvation and we must never lose sight of the scripture. please do not take me wrong in writing to you. i am just concerned that you are putting forth a thought that is of your own understanding and not that of the word of God . it is ok to not be u.p.c.i. but we must not drop our belief  that we baptize any other way than scripture. please remember that you can be decieved in the scripture very easily.   you have left the u.p.c. org.  like alot of us but we have not turned our minds from the oneness baptism doc.  thank you so much sis. jeanie stone/ministers wife</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i hope that you are saying that there is only ONE GOD.  we are no longer u.p.c.i. either but we still hold fast to the One God message. i am in no way responding to hurt or condem but rather to ask if you understand the fullness of the God head bodily and realize that taking on the name of  Jesus  as in Acts  is taking on God as the Father, God as the Son and God as the Holy Ghost.  when baptizing in Jesus name You take on all of God in one person. you cannt get around  acts 2 :38 it simply states the truth in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and this is new test. teaching so it is for the church of today.there is prophecy for old to the new for the churches salvation and we must never lose sight of the scripture. please do not take me wrong in writing to you. i am just concerned that you are putting forth a thought that is of your own understanding and not that of the word of God . it is ok to not be u.p.c.i. but we must not drop our belief  that we baptize any other way than scripture. please remember that you can be decieved in the scripture very easily.   you have left the u.p.c. org.  like alot of us but we have not turned our minds from the oneness baptism doc.  thank you so much sis. jeanie stone/ministers wife</p>
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		<title>Comment on Response to UPC Bible study on women wearing pants by Pam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel your statement is right on track. If IT IS IN YOUR HEART the wearing of even pajama pants will convict you even  in the privacy of your home. So one must ask themselves if this is truely from God or what one has determined was right. If the Lord puts it in our own heart as wrong so be it! You CANNOT ride the fence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel your statement is right on track. If IT IS IN YOUR HEART the wearing of even pajama pants will convict you even  in the privacy of your home. So one must ask themselves if this is truely from God or what one has determined was right. If the Lord puts it in our own heart as wrong so be it! You CANNOT ride the fence.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Response to UPC Bible study on women wearing pants by Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.whyileft.org/responses-to-the-upc/response-to-upc-bible-study-on-women-wearing-pants/#comment-437</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 03:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think that it being a standard is the real issue. The real issue involves a woman wearing that which pertain to a man being an ABOMINATION UNTO GOD, therefore even wearing it in your house still pertains as well as in public. An abomination is still an abomination whether in the home or out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that it being a standard is the real issue. The real issue involves a woman wearing that which pertain to a man being an ABOMINATION UNTO GOD, therefore even wearing it in your house still pertains as well as in public. An abomination is still an abomination whether in the home or out.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What does the Bible say about dying your hair? by sarah r</title>
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		<dc:creator>sarah r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Donald H, I would respectfully like to say that if you are going to think this way about vanity, you must apply it to EVERYTHING. How do you choose what you wear? By choosing what looks good on you - this is the same as colouring your hair to look good. Vanity. How ridiculous?

I believe that Jesus would be saying to us not to worry about these things and that there are much bigger things to be thinking about. If you want to colour your hair -  do it. 

Think on 1 Samuel 16:7

"The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."

As long as you are right with God and he knows your heart, it won't matter what you look like! Go on Dye your hair if you want to!

Sarah x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Donald H, I would respectfully like to say that if you are going to think this way about vanity, you must apply it to EVERYTHING. How do you choose what you wear? By choosing what looks good on you - this is the same as colouring your hair to look good. Vanity. How ridiculous?</p>
<p>I believe that Jesus would be saying to us not to worry about these things and that there are much bigger things to be thinking about. If you want to colour your hair -  do it. </p>
<p>Think on 1 Samuel 16:7</p>
<p>&#8220;The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.&#8221;</p>
<p>As long as you are right with God and he knows your heart, it won&#8217;t matter what you look like! Go on Dye your hair if you want to!</p>
<p>Sarah x</p>
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		<title>Comment on Response to UPC Bible study on women wearing pants by Valerie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've read your articles on women wearing pants, and just wanted to make one observation.  You inferred that the stand against pants for women was hypocritical and not valid because Apostolic women wear pajama pants.

I think that is a weak argument for a couple of reasons.  

#1 - a great majority of the Apostolic women that I know do *not* wear pajama pants, because they feel that pants 'pertain to a man' and so their convictions won't allow them to wear pants at any time.  So women in that situation would completely disregard your entire argument.

#2 - in all honesty, what you wear to bed, or inside the privacy of your own home is completely a separate issue than what you wear in public.  Very few Apostolics hold themselves to the same standard of dress inside the privacy of their home.  The 'dress standard' is about what you wear in public, at least in my experience.  

So for the sake of having a strong argument, if I were you, I'd not rely on the 'pajama pants' issue.  I'd stick with the other Biblical and historical facts concerning the wearing of pants for women.  I felt that statement really weakened your argument. 

Actseighteen.com has a good exegesis of the scriptures concerning 'pertaining to a man'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read your articles on women wearing pants, and just wanted to make one observation.  You inferred that the stand against pants for women was hypocritical and not valid because Apostolic women wear pajama pants.</p>
<p>I think that is a weak argument for a couple of reasons.  </p>
<p>#1 - a great majority of the Apostolic women that I know do *not* wear pajama pants, because they feel that pants &#8216;pertain to a man&#8217; and so their convictions won&#8217;t allow them to wear pants at any time.  So women in that situation would completely disregard your entire argument.</p>
<p>#2 - in all honesty, what you wear to bed, or inside the privacy of your own home is completely a separate issue than what you wear in public.  Very few Apostolics hold themselves to the same standard of dress inside the privacy of their home.  The &#8216;dress standard&#8217; is about what you wear in public, at least in my experience.  </p>
<p>So for the sake of having a strong argument, if I were you, I&#8217;d not rely on the &#8216;pajama pants&#8217; issue.  I&#8217;d stick with the other Biblical and historical facts concerning the wearing of pants for women.  I felt that statement really weakened your argument. </p>
<p>Actseighteen.com has a good exegesis of the scriptures concerning &#8216;pertaining to a man&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What does the Bible say about women wearing pants? by Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I Peter 2:9 says that we are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation. That constitutes a difference in that we should not conform to the world, as you are suggesting, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Man and culture has tried to change what constitutes a woman's apparel and a man's, but I say God has designated the difference and we should be slow to justify ourselves and what we think, with not only study, but prayer as well. I would study and stick to the old paths as much as possible. I believe that when people receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost, the Lord God Almighty, will reveal his ways to an honest heart that diligently seeks Him. It's not my place to conform standards on someone, but to teach with love and diligence what I have been taught and where God leads me. If me and my wife stand together and you have to look twice to tell a difference, something is really wrong. We should look at Deut. 22:5 and realize a woman should look like a woman and a man a man, any other way is abomination unto God.  A holy dressed woman is a the single biggest witness to God's glory as far as appearance, because that is our first witness above all else. I'm sorry that you have taken such a soft approach with living for the One who died for our sins. As for me and my house we choose to serve The Lord with all of my heart soul, mind and strength.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I Peter 2:9 says that we are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation. That constitutes a difference in that we should not conform to the world, as you are suggesting, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Man and culture has tried to change what constitutes a woman&#8217;s apparel and a man&#8217;s, but I say God has designated the difference and we should be slow to justify ourselves and what we think, with not only study, but prayer as well. I would study and stick to the old paths as much as possible. I believe that when people receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost, the Lord God Almighty, will reveal his ways to an honest heart that diligently seeks Him. It&#8217;s not my place to conform standards on someone, but to teach with love and diligence what I have been taught and where God leads me. If me and my wife stand together and you have to look twice to tell a difference, something is really wrong. We should look at Deut. 22:5 and realize a woman should look like a woman and a man a man, any other way is abomination unto God.  A holy dressed woman is a the single biggest witness to God&#8217;s glory as far as appearance, because that is our first witness above all else. I&#8217;m sorry that you have taken such a soft approach with living for the One who died for our sins. As for me and my house we choose to serve The Lord with all of my heart soul, mind and strength.</p>
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